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[Goyim]

Trump won because he channeled populist resentment toward political correctness. This was the beginning of a massive eruption of resentment against generations of western social engineering that's just now reaching the surface of mainstream society. Tomorrow's historians will carefully research accounts of how droves of young men with no reason to plug into society were progressively disenfranchised by a liberal SJW agenda to a point where they'd quietly support anyone who stood in opposition of it.

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@Goyim Or maybe it was because of foreign influence and a corrupt, outdated electorate system coupled with years of programming from a partisan news network.

But you know, that would be too reasonable. You forgot to add the Illuminati to your post, by the way.

[Tinuviel]

@Admiral And a piss-poor turnout in general, from what I saw. Lots of voices, not enough people out doing the voting thing.

[Goyim]

@Admiral said in RL Anger:

@Goyim Or maybe it was because of foreign influence and a corrupt, outdated electorate system coupled with years of programming from a partisan news network.

yeah dude blaming everything on russian hackers would make too much sense

[surreality]

@Tinuviel said in RL Anger:

@Admiral And a piss-poor turnout in general, from what I saw. Lots of voices, not enough people out doing the voting thing.

This is a very true thing, in the broader sense.

Everyone wants to argue about what to do. Very few are willing to do that thing, whatever it may be.

Depending on the issue, it's either laziness or cowardice. Laziness explains some, but being afraid of facing the consequences of doing a thing vs. simply arguing about what to do is an enormous stumbling block there's no real fix for.

[Tinuviel]

I saw some discussion earlier... either in this thread or the political one, that argued about voting being a duty or something similar.

Here in Australia, I think uniquely, for state and federal elections voting is mandatory. It's not something I've ever thought of, really. Once every couple of years (or six times in three years in recent times) we go off to the local school hall, pick up a sausage sandwich, vote, and go home. It's just a thing that we do, as a nation to the point where it's just not even thought about.

I suppose I'm harping on about this cultural divide thing that makes some of the American political stuff so opaque to those of us that don't have to deal with it day to day - but still have to deal with the consequences. So much of what I take for granted here, in terms of both services and cultural norms, are just... so powerfully different to the USA.

[Misadventure]

I'd like to hear suggested courses of action and potential solutions.

It's easy to say things are too stupid, people are too stupid, so I'm not going to participate.

Me? I'm looking at an altered Electoral college, destroying the idea of a State as a viable political unit for many States in the USA, and Instant Runoff elections.

Pie in the sky stuff there. Instant runoffs would be a solid start.

Then I could get to the actual agendas I support. Ideally, so could people who disagree with me on what we should be doing or how we should be doing it have a strong place to work from as well, so we end up someplace we can all support.

[Tinuviel]

Massive Strict caps on campaign spending, abolish the electoral college, have each electorate vote directly - no more blue state red state stuff - instant runoff naturally. I mean I'd rework the US political system into a fashion I'm more familiar with, but that's a start.

[Ganymede]

@Goyim said in RL Anger:

Trump won because he channeled populist resentment toward political correctness reasonable accommodations for people that have no interest in raping you or making you gay, even though you probably are gay but have repressed that side of you because it offends your sense of what some God thinks you ought to be.

Fixed that for you.

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Civic nationalism is a stupid thing to rally behind where there are two polar views on how the country ought to be, and nothing to direct the ignorant hostility towards.

Realize that when the Republicans cite "freedom to choose" as important, they want you to forget that you don't actually have a meaningful choice. "Freedom to choose" only exists where there are few risks as a result of a choice. And this is why universal public health care is the only reasonable, logical, economically conservative choice for the nation.

Realize that when Democrats insist that we need to pass laws to prevent companies from dodging taxes, they want you to forget that we all end up paying those taxes through higher costs and that higher corporate taxes will likely drive small businesses into the ground.

Realize that many talking heads have too little education or are too far removed from reality to form an authoritative opinion on how to fix the nation's problems.

Realize that the solutions really aren't as far-fetched or far-away as we believe. Look local.

[Goyim]

@Ganymede said in RL Anger:

Tldr

Ok.

I honestly hope the democrats remain openly contemptuous of the concerns of their own target audience and double down on their narrative. They've forgotten the point of elections is not to argue the truth or fact, it's to win the crowd over to your side and I am fine with that. If losing states that were considered to be safely left leaning to a man who lives in a golden tower isn't enough of a wake up call I can't think of what would be.

[Ganymede]

@Goyim said in RL Anger:

I honestly hope the democrats remain openly contemptuous of the concerns of their own target audience and double down on their narrative.

As a Democrat, I can tell you that this remains the case in the echo chamber that many exist in. As a result, Tom Perez was selected to head up the party, instead of Rep. Ellison.

[ThatGuyThere]

@surreality said in RL Anger:

Without the thing he's screaming about sucking so badly, I would actually be dead right now. Full stop. There's not a question, an 'if', or 'maybe' there.

Surr I agree with you a lot, but because something works one time no matter how personally that one time is does not mean it doesn't suck.
My mother's life was saved when she was 16 by not wearing a seat belt. I literally would never have existed if she had worn a seat belt that one time but wearing a seat belt is still smart. I am very glad medical care saved your live but that does not mean that the system of medical care in the US does not suck.

[surreality]

@ThatGuyThere I don't disagree that it still sucks. It has a ton of room for improvement. What we have now, though? Is one step of improvement from where we were previously, and sucks less than the reality that preceded it. Still having a long way to go doesn't mean there hasn't been progress. Slow, awkward, imperfect progress -- but it's still progress.

[WTFE]

And it's progress that won't match even the worst of the civilized countries' medical systems (Canada) in my lifetime. It's that fucking slow.

[surreality]

@WTFE And still, the difference between one year and the next is dead vs. not dead.

I'm pretty fucking grateful for that progress.

[Three-Eyed Crow]

@Shiggy
Is there a reason you aren't in the political section of the board?

[Auspice]

@Three-Eyed-Crow said in RL Anger:

@Shiggy
Is there a reason you aren't in the political section of the board?

I am almost certain this is one of our neighborhood trolls trying to rustle jimmies.

[WTFE]

@Shiggy Wanna be called civilized? Join civilization. It's a great club! We've got culture! And state-funded health care! And ponies!

[surreality]

@Shiggy said in RL Anger:

If a party expects me to sacrifice my own interests in the interest of gay wedding cakes and tranny bathrooms, a significant amount of public dignity is going to be due to me in the long run.

Due you, is it? (And here, there are giggles. Oodles of them.)

Unless your interests are somehow against LGBT folks having wedding cakes, or have some pressing concern about restroom usage, you sacrifice nothing, you lose nothing.

I mean, how dare those people want to bring attention to the fact that they desire same rights you already have. The nerve! Clearly, you're due some attention for... wait, what, having already had them all along or something?

You are getting dumber by the post, dude.

[surreality]

@Shiggy You just get a <pat pat pat> at this point. Keep raging on, man. Whole world's clearly against you.