@Insomnia said in Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.:
You haven't liked every post though, so maybe Common Law? It has been more years. I dunno, does that affect taxes?
That's how you can tell it's a real marriage. If you always agree with your spouse and like everything they do you're either newlywed or there's something seriously wrong there.
@ThatGuyThere said in Is there a basics of CG out there somewhere?:
Maybe I am missing something but are cgen commands hard to figure out?
Don't think 'hard' - although some are, or are buggy, etc. Think 'unfamiliar'. It's the same thing as nearly any new interface to a user, it takes a bit to figure it out.
I asked Theno once if character data was all in MySQL tables anyway so that we could just make a web interface for CGen. That'd be as ideal as I can think of it, because then we could have a character sheet taken straight out of a WoD book (or whatever) to let players fill out the dots, then magically they'd have the corresponding +sheet in-game. Unfortunately that's not possible with the codebase.
An alternative could be letting the users do the same same thing, of course, and have it spit the in-game commands ready to be pasted. Not as neat but it'd probably work.
I prefer V20's Vampire over Requiem in every conceivable way other than its mechanics. I love everything about Generation and the Gehenna/Time of Thin Blood metaplot is magnificent.
@Insomnia said in Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.:
Like the example above about TS and owing... I have had multiple people ask me if Theno and I were dating, because we've recorded some videos together. More recently I've been asked if I'm dating one of my Twitter followers because he likes every tweet I do. Mostly "Hey, check out this video!" tweets, but the occasional random thing too.. He's also a gamer and we haven't recorded anything yet - and now I'm a little afraid too because that might be like a proposal or something at this point.
I've liked your posts before. Does that mean we're married now?
This is really going to complicate my taxes.
@Ganymede said in 2016-2017 Basketball Thread:
Xarelto
I love CB but AD is on a whole different level. He's far better than CB ever was even now - the only question mark for him are injuries.
Then again CB probably has no room to talk about being unable to play for prolonged periods of time.
@Groth said in Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.:
In my experience it's not problematic that creepy, rapey stuff happens on WoD games, because as mentioned it is in theme and most players actually like those things as long as they happen in the right context. Quite a few people even enjoy playing with Rex until he starts taking it OOC.
Many creeps are excellent roleplayers. No one accused Juerg of not being able to pose well. That's not his problem.
The results of chargen are varied. The most important thing to me is this: It can allow players - whether staff wants to or not, that's a different issue, but they have the choice if they want it - to make a character and go directly to the fun parts without waiting for approval first.
Without it, unless the game is stat-less or completely roster-based, they must wait.
Anthony Davis needs to go to a real team. His prime is going to get completely wasted on that piece of shit roster he's stuck with.
@Miss-Demeanor Although I agree with what you're saying, I don't see why WoD somehow forces staff to turn a blind eye on the things which are reported to them.
(I would never blame them for not doing something when people keep mum about them. Staffbits don't grant telepathic powers)
@Pyrephox said in Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.:
Does this mean you can't have a respectful MU* set in the World of Darkness? No. But I will say that I think it takes a lot more thought and intentional management than it does in some other worlds and systems. And that very few games put that thought and intentionality into it.
Make it consent-based. Done fixed.
@Pyrephox said in Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.:
without having to worry about, "okay, we've got to organize a whole game battle scene, where the three most notorious creeps on the grid somehow got ahold of the Important McGuffin, and now everyone HAS to cooperate with them."
You know, that's a fair point.
I wonder if it's a coincidence or at least unrelated to the conversation, but players who are the most notorious about going aggressively after female characters seem to be otherwise very active (some seem to be on 24/7, wtf man... I wish I could play games that much) and have a finger in every plot-pie out there. In a way that makes them both gateways to RP, making it useful to be in their good graces since they can pull you in, but also means avoiding them comes at a price.
That's not a problem code can solve. And staff have historically been very prone to undereacting to reports by players, assuming players were either being drama queens or trying to avoid the consequences of their actions rather than blame the person responsible for it.
No joke, either; back in Juerg's day a player he chased off HM, and a good friend of mine, was specifically told she could avoid all the massive IC witchhunt against her if she slept with him. She was told this openly. Staff sided with him, how dare she try to dodge roleplay? So... I don't even.
@surreality said in Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.:
I do like how KD's wiki and some other L&L games mention relationship status. Something in prefs/etc. could mention this sort of thing as well.
That's pretty much what I had in mind. I don't know if it will do much but I'm trying to think of a way out of this really bizarre situation, where sex/relationship based games like Shang or KD seem to do way better on the harassment front than MU* where such things aren't thematically emphasized.
Do you think code could help with our social issue here?
Would voluntarily listing whether a character is single or not help dissuade this kind of behavior?
@surreality said in Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.:
A really good friend of mine used the analogy, 'for a guy, a shortcut through a dark alley is a quick route home or an adventure, for a woman, it's the looming threat of a sexual assault waiting to happen.' He isn't wrong.
Yeah. I've had a conversation about it recently since I've been going to a 24/7 gym very early in the morning (when it's essentially empty) and it's completely different for a man compared to a woman; my biggest concern is waking up at an ugly hour and hope I don't have to fiddle with the safety pins on the rack. The idea someone might follow me inside the place where no one can see/hear me call for help and where no one could even manage to enter without a card to help out in the first place is just not a concern on my radar.
@Insomnia said in Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.:
Honestly, I think the women who are all "I'm a girl and I don't know how to play games, plz give me things. Teehee! I'll fuck if you buy me a mount!" do more to hurt how women are perceived in gaming more than anything else.
How about this: Recently a female player's PC met a male's one time on the grid. They didn't know each other OOC beforehand and the scene was completely neutral. Within a couple of days that person was sending them pages when she was playing with other people, pestering her with pages, etc. This was happening just a bit under the threshold of actionable harassment (possibly by design) but the player in question was perfectly capable of handling it on her own, setting limits and cutting that person off.
However... he is still there. Someone else equally unwilling to go along with this misadventure might either buckle under the pressure and go along for the ride or simply stop logging on. Either way this is a scenario where everyone loses - the game is out a player or the person in question doesn't is put in an unpleasant position to begin with since even having to reject the advances isn't exactly fun, nor is knowing a guy's keeping track of her whereabouts.
These are iffy circumstances. I know folks will just hop in here and suggest the banhammer but between non-reporting and false positives (the line between 'hey, wanna play?' and 'hey, why did you play with him instead of me?' isn't always conveniently phrased clearly) nuking from orbit it's not a panacea at all.
But what is a better way to address such situations?
I think I need to credit MSB at least for helping me understand better how different an experience women get compared to men online. It's not always obvious (or it wasn't to me) how things work; I mean in the hobby, being what it is, flirting is commonplace but I've seen things that made me scratch my head. There's an aggression, an urgency involved on behalf of people. I don't know if I never perceived it on Shang in the past when I was playing there or if it's actually worse on non-adult MU* for whatever reason but some of the pages I was shown were pretty openly manipulative and very single-minded.
@Ganymede said in Gauging interest in a 20th Edition Game.:
@Arkandel said in Gauging interest in a 20th Edition Game.:
I'd give a decent 20th Vampire game a try.
I would too, but I'm leery of V20 players after City of Hope.
Elaborate? What's different about V20 players?
I'd give a decent 20th Vampire game a try.
@ArmedCarp said in 2016-2017 Basketball Thread:
I hope to be pleasantly surprised by the Knicks. As far as starters go, they're as strong as anyone.
I dunno. I watched yesterday's game and they were a mess; Carmelo stops the ball, DRose wants to run with the ball. Porzingod isn't being fed enough (and the other two stars will need to seriously sacrifice some ego to do it). Their defense was okay.
They're a marginal playoffs team unless they gel during the season.
Anyone know who's running this game or... well, anything about it? Is it a reboot of Reno? I'm just pasting from an ad I saw on a bboard elseMU*.
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Hello All!
Shadows Over Reno will be doing a soft opening on Monday November 7th starting at Noon EST. During the soft open we are allowing one PC to be made for the moment. Just so that staff isn't overwhelmed by people trying to make five or six alts at once.
CG Restrictions:
Blood Potency 5+
Primal Urge 5+
Status 3+ - This is for Covenants, etc.
Dual Covenants - We aren't supporting Dual Covenants on the game.
Mystery Cult Initiation - We don't currently have any PC Mystery Cults.
We will be implementing The Pack and Secrets of the Covenants as we go along. Secrets of the Covenants will be longer to implement due to it being in rewrites continually, so we are keeping track of the merits.
If you have any questions, please feel free to let us know.
Wendigo
@Ganymede I really think if the Warriors fall this year it won't be to a player, it will be to their own thinned options. They gave up a lot of flexibility and bench to grab KD, and one twisted ankle can ruin their season on the spot.