For the record, the reason we don't delete accounts is the way nodeBB handles the event, since it can lead to all their posts which means threads will disappear if they were started by that account.
It can also point to situations like what Theno posted where history is effectively rewritten and there's no record of their posts any more.
@Pandora said in The ethics of IC romance, TS, etc:
Much like the actors in a television series are not given advance warning of their characters being betrayed or killed, in order to keep their portrayals authentic, I believe that there is a watering-down of authenticity when secrets are discovered OOC rather than IC.
I'll need to disagree with that specific part. Actors are professionals being paid to do a job and thus there's less need to consider their feelings. Communication with fellow players who're there to be entertained is a different matter.
I'm not saying there should be a warning given, mind you. Just that the comparison here isn't sound.
@DareDaemon said in TS - Danger zone:
@Tinuviel You have a really weird definition of constructive, then.
Let's not nitpick on this.
As long as the focus is on the argument and not the person making the argument we're fairly safe (or as safe as one can be in a thread literally called "TS - Danger zone".
Come on guys, it's not that hard. Just don't make it personal.
@Auspice You get into the space as quickly as you can, and when the queue is gone you fix yourself up. Duh.
North American drivers can't park worth a damn.
Fite me.
I'll resurrect this thread by going over a point debated over in the Danger thread instead since it seems to fit here a bit better.
@bored said in TS - Danger zone:
You say you the out of band argument isn't yours part of yours but you're bringing it up again here, right? This stuff gets serious when it violates the game boundaries, but inside the game boundaries are the only place where a staffer can meaningfully act. So again, I empathize, but again, this stuff doesn't really factor into MU policy for me.
Let's go over this point a bit, I think it might be interesting. What is the scope of staff responsibility when it comes to TS?
For example is it liability? If for instance the argument is that "this sex act happened on my game so I could get into trouble" then if the players involved took that to Discord or whatever does that still enable staff to feel they can intervene for what was roleplayed over a different medium?
Is it done to protect staff? For instance the typical argument is "staff or not I don't want to read about violent sex acts so they are forbidden", which I can totally understand. However if the players involved keep it under wraps (perhaps by RPing it on Discord!) does it absolve them? And if through any other means the fact comes out - perhaps a third party hears about it OOC and tells staff - do they have the ethical high ground to step in and discipline those players for breaking the rules?
What are the lines here? Specifically:
@Roz said in TS - Danger zone:
I did staff on a game once where PC sex straight up wasn't thematic (because robots), but we knew people were gonna do it behind closed doors
I want to ask but I'm afraid you'll tell me.
I'll do mine.
I'm sorry for flaking out on games for the last... I want to say year and a half. I mean to play regularly and while I'm in CGen I actually get excited about giving this a shot but then I often find myself taking the path of least resistance.
Sure, I can sit in yet another office chair like I've been doing all day at work... or I can go watch TV or play a video game on my recliner which requires less effort. I very often lose enough of those battles that I can't build RP momentum and the character fades into the sunset.
I know I pulled some of you into RP that I then dropped so I apologize for that.
@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:
@Arkandel I think there's a slight mismatch in your first question. Character promiscuity and TS habits aren't always linked. Promiscuous characters don't need to engage in TS at all, and one person could play several monogamous characters.
It's intentional though. I wanted to ask two different questions - do you find yourself more inclined to TS than normal (whether it ends up happening IC, faded to black or anything else of that nature) but also if TS just plain happens more often because of any number of factors, from general adherence to theme, partners being easier to find, etc.
Another thing that occurred to me while while reading is that we went over the thematic effect on TS only from one direction - meaning how 'sensual' MU* in general correlate with people's TS habits changing.
However how (or if) does it affect you to play on games without mature themes? I'm not nearly naive to classify superhero settings as that but let's say ones inspired by YA books, more tactical or action-based MU*, or hell even stuff like D&D... do you ever feel like TS doesn't fit the game and try to avoid it?
Let's go back to discussing forbidden topics.
How much do your TS habits change based on the MU*'s themes? That is, do you find your characters are more promiscuous on say, a Kushiel game than a World of Darkness one? Do you TS considerably more often? Is it easier (or harder) to find partners - and are they actually better at TS on average?
My wallpapers have been rotating for months but since I very rarely minimize stuff to the desktop I only ever see them when I reboot anyway.
@magee101 said in TS - Danger zone:
@Rinel @Tinuviel Just doesn't like TS, is what I get from most of their quoted answers I see in this thread.
Whether that's true or not there isn't anything wrong with that. It's already been pointed out different people like different things, and that paints our responses.
@magee101 Maybe that warrants one of those classy conversations!
How long does a scene need to be before it gets to TS (feel free to include foreplay as part of TS)? What's ideal for you?
For example do most of your TS scenes get right to it once the scene begins? Are they the logical followup of a separate scene leading directly to it? Do you ever just start TS at the end of a completely chaste RP?
Also bonus question! Do you ever pause in the middle of TS then pick it up at a later time?
This is truly the classiest thread ever.
@Coin said in TS - Danger zone:
@Arkandel said in TS - Danger zone:
@Pandora said in TS - Danger zone:
I can't believe that actually got a response. I win this thread, InB4 @Arkandel shows up and ruins my fun as usual.
I've been here for a while watching you people ruin this classy thread with your memes.
TBF, you started this thread, so it was never gonna be classy.
How dare you suggest TS - Danger zone was not destined for greatness.
@Pandora said in TS - Danger zone:
I can't believe that actually got a response. I win this thread, InB4 @Arkandel shows up and ruins my fun as usual.
I've been here for a while watching you people ruin this classy thread with your memes.
@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:
But that's a peeve, rather than anything that I expect or want action on.
Okay, I see where you're coming from now, and that's fair.
@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:
I still think the TS bit is unnecessary, but whatever.
What does that mean?
When is TS necessary?
@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:
I do care that the player in question gets extra time with an NPC that others don't for no reason other than the staffer wants to boink using that glove.
ETA: By "NPCs time" I mean available RL time to interact with the NPC. I don't care that the NPC's IC time is mostly oriented towards chasing tail, or whatever, but if it's impossible to get a chance to interact with the NPC because their RL time being taken up with the arduous task of TSing for hours, that's my issue.
I'm up early so I'll use my extra time wisely by coming up with a TS plot that involves NPCs.
Let's say I'm running a PrP series for a character stranded in the Hedge. She runs across a stranger (NPC) who helps her fight off some critters, he takes her to his home where they strike up a conversation, she picks up some local lore that could perhaps justify an XP expenditure. They also boink.
After the boinking (he was very good, not to brag) he betrays her! Ohnoes, he was working for a True Fae all along but she barely manages to get out of there before things get super awkward.
At this point what has happened? I didn't use any precious NPC's time - I made this guy up after first talking to staff to made sure it was okay to use a Loyalist - and the roleplay was thematic. Furthermore I now have an NPC in my pocket I can reuse in the future; he can be a recurring antagonist who can come back to haunt the girl, and her player can use the experience to drive her character's growth. Also hey, she can justify the pillow talk to buy something with XP.
Who's the victim here?
If you thought I'd hesitate making you FEEL THINGS you'd be wrong.
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@Dropbear said in TS - Danger zone:
imagine if in the last 2 minutes a sports event the whole game is decided by who can get the refs off fastest
but only the refs favorites can compete
Is this a TS discussion or a TS pitch.
