@tragedyjones said:
The rules posted were just for post-creation advancement. Everyone will start with the usual spread of traits per the rules. Also, not participating in plots would be a very slow growth indeed at ~3 XP a month.
At 1 Beat per day, you'd get 30-ish beats per month; 30 divided by 5 is 6, not 3. Your math is off; or you've changed it to make it 10 beats = 1 XP.
@Arkandel said:
@Coin Of course I want the show to be good. But if it's good, yet it's not <X>, then call it something else.
I guess I'm just not a purist. I think a story can be told in different ways, or different stories can be told. Also, maybe I'm just super tired of having to worry about whether or not something lives up to its name. It's not a legacy, man; it's a comic book. I can't bring myself to care very much.
I think the only time I got really angry about something like this was when SyFy put Earthsea and white-washed it so bad it was basically Bleachsea. Well, and Avatar: The Last Airbender, but that was less anger and more just... sigh.
@Ghost said:
@Cirno WORD. AOL RP CHATS. Remember names like Vv_HellVAMP_vV ?
Same thing for me and @lordbelh on MSN Chats.
@Arkandel said:
The new Preacher TV show will be 'very different than the comics'. I don't know how I feel about that.
I know how I feel! I feel like I hope the show is good regardless of whether it follows the comic book or not.
@Luna said:
@Usekh How do you say it? In my head you're use-kay. I'm almost sure it's use-kuh but I can't make that happen.
I always thought it was more of a you-sekh, with the kh having a hard g or j sound, a la Russian.
@Apos said:
@Cirno said:
This raises interesting questions - is MU* ing a gentrified, expensive hobby out of reach to the poor? Could that be part of the reason why the population of MU* players is low in general? And why is this, since computers have sharply decreased in price? One can acquire a cheap tablet or netbook for 50$ or so.
I don't think it's that, not when you look at tens of millions of people playing MOBAs and MMORPGs, it's hard to look at it from a scarcity standpoint. I think MUSHes offer something unique that's pretty hard to explain. If you google 'text based role playing games', I flipped through a few pages and saw a few MUDs and a -lot- of browser games that are kind of MUD like, but nothing like what most MUSHers enjoy. It's pretty easy for people that have never played an rpg at all before to grasp playing a dude on a MUD and running around killing things in a world. I think it's a lot harder to get across how a collaborative storytelling narrative game works, and I'd be curious what people's elevator pitches of a MUSH are like to people that have never played any form of RPG before.
It probably involved compàrisons to joint storytelling and a lot of theater analogies.
@surreality said:
@Coin I am reasonably certain a handful of reasonably creative people could freeform RP up plots and melodrama in a modern fantasy setting and the CW would pick it up at this point.
It could not possibly come out worse than Star-Crossed and I really mean it.
Star-Crossed wasn't even that bad. When it did socio-political plotlines, it did them pretty well, I thought.
@Ghost said:
Shit, fool, I still might get a Blink tattoo. Morph was funny as hell and I loved seeing Nocturne go to New Excalibur.
Morph got such good arcs in that comic book. Ugh, it was all so good. I stopped reading around New Exiles when Psylocke joined. I love Psylocke, but I felt something had been lost.
@surreality said:
The CW is going to be so pissed. MTV apparently has beaten them to a supernatural/fantasy creature of some kind, leaving them with one less 'My Boyfriend is a... <insert supernatural creature here>' show to run with. (No, really, we've had vampires, witches, and even aliens, and I bet I'm missing a few in there.)
Naw. The CW will wait to see if Shannara works out and then just grab some other YA fantasy model to cash in.
Hell, I'll write for them.
DO YOU HEAR ME CW? I WILL WRITE NOVELS FOR YOU TO BASE CHEESY TELEVISION ON. Just pay me.
@Ghost said:
@Coin I could bone you so hard right now. I thought I was the only Exiles fan. I loooooooved me some Exiles.
Dude, fucking Exiles is my jaaaaaammmmmm. Never has a character so overpowered like Mimic become so hardcore and awesome so quickly. Also, Blink. Just Blink, full stop, and that's not counting when Miguel joined, and Nocturne and Warpath, and Mr. Creed! And and and and and and and and and...
... and just all the things, yeah. Exiles was the bomb.
This is why I want to make a comic book MU based on Exiles but with more than one company (and also combinations of them, both like we currently have on games nad like Amalgam was). Because then you really can play whatever version of the character you want.
But then, I'm a dick--I wouldn't allow any actual canon versions--they'd have to have some important departure (so as to stick to the spirit and theme of the Exiles).
@Ghost said:
Being constructive here.
I've played on a few Super Hero MU* that have allowed DC/MARVEL/Image/etc all in one place. My personal feeling on this is that "all comic titles under one roof" allows for some interesting RP, but it's also very uncomfortable in the sense that there's only so much room.
For example.
- The JLA and Avengers, why need both? Why would the government sponsor an Avengers program, a JLA, and their many splinter groups, AND S.H.I.E.LD., etc etc etc.
- Nova Corps and Green Lanterns. Why two universe-spanning police groups?
- undefined
For the former, usually the super teams get redefined by the players and mixed and matched. You'll get a team called The Avengers who might not resemble the actual Avengers at all, while you'll get a Justice League that is founded and led by Captain America.
This is also a silly question for you to get hung up on considering the sheer fucking amount of super teams in either universe. Hell, right now (and in the past) there have been multiple versions of the Avengers and the Justice League... (Justice League, Justice League America, Justice League International, Avengers, West Coast Avengers, etc.). There's plenty of room, especially if you set them in different cities.
The Nova Corps and the Green Lantern could operate easily with jurisdictional changes--the same way the county Sheriff has jurisdiction over a county, but the state police over a whole state, while a city's police only within their assigned city, etc., etc.
Meta and Mutants is easy--are you born with your power through a genetic anomaly? It's the x-gene, even if you're not from marvel. You're a mutant. Did you get your powers some other way? Meta--catch-all term for becoming super-powered via something else. Same thing that happens when you compare Mutants (X-Men) and Mutates (Spider-Man, Daredevil) in Marvel, for example.
All of these issues are easily resolved, really. It's purist comic book nerds that whine that they don't like a specific thing that make it an issue (like the person who finds it unacceptable that quicksilver's mutation allows him to tap into the Speed Force as a way to incorporate him into the Flash mythology in case a player wants to--what, more roleplay opportunities is a bad thing? Get the fuck over it).
And honestly, I find all the changes and learning them and adapting to them part of the fun, to be honest.
@tragedyjones said:
I am involved in a lot of nerdy hobbies, and I have noticed that while not a lot of black people seem to do RPGs, collectible card games are much more racially broad.
There is an easily made correlation with traditional card playing (e.g. poker) and traditional card collecting (e.g. baseball cards) that makes explaining a collectible card game exponentially easier than explaining roleplaying.
I liked The Magicians too. I even got the books because of it.
I am going to be poking at Shannara tonight.
I needed a name one time and I had just read Terry Pratchet's Sourcery, and it was fresh on my mind. The main character--aside from Rincewind--is "Coin". At least, I suspect that's why I picked it. I don't remember making the conscious connection, but I think subconsciously, yeah. And then I used it for WORA, so I figured I'd use the same here so people knew who I was on WORA. I don't switch mostly because people know me here as Coin now.
@Arkandel said:
@Cirno said:
There are a decent amount of black mushers on this very same forum. Some of us have even made, or will make, games.
Wait, you're black?
I'm not sure if you're trolling the notorious troll or just kind of don't pay att--wait, no, you just don't pay attention. >.>
So someone make a Star Wars game where people can play Jedi and Sith. Maybe set it far enough into the future that the canon is history; or far enough into the past that it doesn't matter. I'd rarther the former despite us not knowing what's coming. You could have legends about how everything turned out and have none of it be true; or simply ignore whatever comes next in canon that doesn't fit the narrative.
Maybe a setting where Force sensitivity is ubiquitous and the Jedi and Sith orders have splintered into many factions with different ideals, tenets, and reasonings.
You know, how things tend to actually work.
@Cirno said:
[* ] @Thenomain and I were discussing why more black people did not MU* on the old boards, and he said something that is important to consider - most MU* ers are financially secure and either have a good chunk of money and a steady, well-paying job, or are at least financially well-off through whatever methods they have available - friends, family, the Government Dole - that they can afford the equipment and the environment conductive to MU* ing - namely, the things mentioned here. He suggested something to the effect that since less black people can afford these things, less can actually MU*.
This raises interesting questions - is MU* ing a gentrified, expensive hobby out of reach to the poor? Could that be part of the reason why the population of MU* players is low in general? And why is this, since computers have sharply decreased in price? One can acquire a cheap tablet or netbook for 50$ or so.
I suspect there's also just less black people who roleplay tabletop, too, for the same reasons--roleplaying books have always been notoriously expensive. Keep in mind that tradition and generational inertia helps: if your parents are geeks and gamers and had access to it, it's far more likely you will be, too.
The monetary thing falls apart a little bit when you take into account demographic numbers for video game players (who require even better PCs than MUers, or even consoles, and expensive games). I don't actually have any numbers and it's possible that the ratio remains the same between white and black video game players--but I doubt it (with absolutely no fundament by my own gut).
"A person with black skin? Yeah, okay."
"A person who listens to heavy metal? Sure."
"A pair of girls who like to lick each other? Oh, yeeeeeah."
"Two dudes who want to get married? Burn the faggots."
(Feel free to switch this to people who are okay with gays but hate black people, or any other combination. I picked at random.)
Bigotry, as @Runescryer very aptly pointed out above, is twisted and doesn't follow conventional logic.
@Lithium said:
@Coin I don't think having consistency is a horrible thing at all. I think once agame goes live, it should create it's own history and run with it. Even if you are basing it on established IP once your players are dictating things, and your staff are running things, you are automatically in a land of 'alternate reality' so trying to remain ultra faithful to the IP were nothing ever changes is... silly.
It's sort of why I dislike games set in the middle of a series of movies or books, because then when a new book comes out, things are going to change, and your mush will have to change with it and it's like nothing the players did can really /matter/.
Which is part of why I was going with a wholly original world for this project, that is now retired indefinitely.
I'm not sure why you singled me out for a reply! I agree. 