I don't know, it appears that there's more than a handful of people that agree with me on the issue I highlighted.
And considering that one's understanding of the real world and how they idealize it to be often color their decisions in policy-making...
@friendlybee I think I specified my situation quite well, honestly. You need to read back.
Because my government can and will use the words I say on the internet against me, without the very flimsy cover of anonymity. Which they can break just as well with a subpoena.
By the way, the right to express oneself is a basic human right. You are correct this is a privately-owned forum, and not all speech here is allowed. I express myself within the framework that's already set, which I do not want to see tightened. Ergo. I argue for the status quo.
@friendlybee I only started arguing for free speech the moment people started arguing for proactive moderation of words in the Hog Pit, with or without specific harmful/discriminatory context.
@kanye-qwest said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@friendlybee i don't think it has anything at all to do with being 'conservative'. Most conservatives I know don't resort to namecalling for the sake of being edgy. Calling someone a cunt is just someone being an asshole. It's not a political thing at all until people start dropping "SJW" to dismiss those who object.
And, just for context's sake, it really depends on which English-speaking region you're coming from! I don't really think Australians are trying to insult someone when they call someone that.
@surreality People have to tug the discussion back to the bottom of the well when we were already getting along.
I fucking hate the time-honored tradition of goalpost moving and liver ruining because I can't drink.
@friendlybee Not so bold, when there are prime examples literally everywhere on this forum. Your attempt to frame your argument in a way that makes you sound like you're an authority on the subject notwithstanding, @surreality points out the wholly non-partisan nature of dogpiling.
It really just depends whether you've a tough crowd for your ideas or not.
@Tinuviel I know a sugarcane-based distilled drink that would get you drunk enough for ANY MSB discussions.
@friendlybee The same could be said of modern US liberals, but the game of pointing fingers and using labels, once again, is counter-productive.
@magee101 And unless they're holding a gun at your head or threatening you with grievous bodily harm, you can tell them they're an asshole and a bully.
@tinuviel We've made it into a time-honored tradition. Along with ruining livers.
@kanye-qwest I could see it as a discussion that feeds itself and moves goalposts forever (especially as people take this to the political arena, which gets into dangerous territory) and also an attempt at truncation of a derailment of the original thread.
@arkandel You already have a definition of the limits.
It's in the rules.
@tnp said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@insomnia said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@insomniac7809 I get that, I guess I just don't get the people who want the label and are trying to take it back. I mean, does doing good need a label? If you stand for something, stand up for it. I'm not saying being an SJW is a bad thing, but if I ever used it, it would be using it on people who are already acting like asshats in the first place.
Again it goes back to the whole intent thing and not really being able to read tone in writing.
Possibly because they refuse to buy into the right wing party line. Just like how the American Right, years ago, redefined liberal in order to insult and dismiss anyone on the left, they're doing the same with SJW. It's a favorite tactic in their play book.
Funny, I heard a different story than that. Once again, though, that's political spectrum talk and probably not conducive to this debate, which is just another reiteration of:
How proactive should MSB's moderation style be?
I don't really think in terms of 'what will help me understand this game better' and rather, 'what would inspire me to pursue stories and of what caliber', so here's a list.
Books:
Tigana
Heart-Shaped Box
Lions of al-Rassan
The Grail Quest: Harlequin
All Tomorrow's Parties
Count Zero
Mona Lisa Overdrive
Shadowrun (yes, I'm serious)
A Song for Arbonne
Saxon Chronicles
Count of Monte Cristo
TV:
Camelot
Altered Carbon
The Last Kingdom
Game of Thrones S6 and 7
Anon (Netflix movie with Amanda Seyfried and Clive Owen; must watch if you like cyberpunk)
Mute (also for cyberpunk flavor)
The Expanse
Vikings, particularly S3 and S4
Borgia: Faith and Fear
Le Chalet
La Forêt
Les Revenants
Black Sails
Movies, non-Netflix:
Lord of the Rings, all three
Alatriste
The Hollywood take of Count of Monte Cristo
Kingdom of God
Robin Hood (Ridley Scott version)
Memento
Music:
My Dying Bride
Assemblage23
too many to cite
@ganymede said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@roz said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
Your Maximum Ganymede would be grinding people's gears while they laugh.
Maximum Ganymede sounds like the best WWE wrestler identity or the worst sexual position I could conceive of.
What would be your entry song?
@ganymede There are times your lawyer mode is never switched off and it can grind my lawyer gears a little bit, and then there are times I find your posts insightful and a bit funny.
Also since I think I need to address that edit: SJW, like 'right-wing nutter' and 'antivaxxer' and 'gun nut' are all labels. Labels, unfortunately, are words we often weaponize so we're able to hurt our ideatic debate opponents, especially when things get heated. Ultimately, nothing good results from using them, since they're meant exclusively to disrupt a speaker's chain of thought so we can engage our own.
@apos Yeah, I see what you mean.
I think the stances in that particular debate are "words are just words" and "slurs are words that, when used, in any context, cause harm."
But I can agree 100% with your point that political leanings don't have much to do with what we're discussing so much as whether moderation for those words needs to be active or simply left as-is (ie. there is a rule about no homophobia/racism/discrimination, etc. in the rules of the forum) and we leave the things that fall beyond the scope (such as the usage of some words people find unpleasant) as "legal gray area", in the way that I see it.
I think, preferably, we might want to not open the political can of worms.
(PS: while holocaust denial is protected speech in the US, you get jail-time in about 90% of the other countries that are signatory to a certain UN Convention on Human Rights. On the other hand, I am a long time admirer of the almost-absolute sanctity of freedom of speech in your country. It defeats the point of the real crazies out there when they're allowed to say their things and can be dismissed out of hand, versus censoring them and then they have that as confirmation bias to point out to others that might be susceptible to the siren's call of political violence.)
I'd just like to point out that since it's hard to define 'moderate' as pertains to political stance due to geographic (as @Shincashay), continental (as in, American vs European spectrum) and ideological differences, it might be best to define exactly what you're a moderate in versus just claiming you're a moderate.
In a society that is mostly defined along ideologies and stances mostly defined by socialism, for instance, you'd get anarchists and classic Marxists on the hardest left, Trotskyists and Leninists on the harder left, democrat socialists on the middle of the road and neo-liberals along with social democrats on the right.
So it might be good to just explain in what ways you're middle of the road, and what ways you lean one way or another.
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@auspice It depends on how funny the rant is, I think. Al Pacino's rants are probably considered highly offensive these days whereas they were kind of acceptable in the 90s. So you'd have to strike a happy medium somewhere.
@auspice I would literally pay someone 2 dollars on patreon or some other funding website if they could fold origami while cursing profusely in a stream of consciousness Al Pacino-style rant about an issue.
@surreality Better get on that.
Name it the Rantwing channel and start going off about things while you make itty bitty hats and shoes and coats.