@Ganymede said in TS - Danger zone:
I've been told that my RP-style is intimidating as hell. I don't know why? I've always thought of my style as being light and somewhat humorous.
I don't know about 'light'. The things I remember were pretty bold and out there. I can see why some people would be intimidated.
But humorous yes! So those people are fools that are missing out.
@surreality said in Echoes in the Mists - CoD 2e MU:
...this would be the ad thread, I believe.
Lol, yep! Surr beat me to it!
@Admiral said in Echoes in the Mists - CoD 2e MU:
This reboot's staff has been problematic. Not for you. For friends of mine.
Not sure who has had problems with who, but we've certainly shown a fair number of people the door, and put a stop to some things that we didn't want to see on the game.
Some people might not agree. But it's our game to run, and if we see a problem, we'll intervene in it.
I think 2E is actually a bit more complex, with all its various factors and reach. It's more uniform, in some ways, but even individual spells have reach effects.
@Cobaltasaurus
A lot of the players I have talked to found this to be helpful:
http://www.voidstate.com/rpg/mage-spell-helper/
You may or may not find use for it, but sliders and click things that spit you out info at the bottom at least give something visual to work with.
Ok. Let me try it this way:
For purposes of the following examples, let's pretend that Iggy the Irraka only has the Gift of Stealth unlocked.
Example 1: Iggy the Irraka raises Cunning. Cunning is Iggy's Auspice Renown, so that comes with an automatic raise in Iggy's Moon Gift. Iggy also gets the free Shadow Gift facet that comes with every Renown raise, and chooses to use that on Gift of Stealth's Cunning Facet, which is the only one they have available.
Example 2: Now Iggy raises Purity. Purity isn't Iggy's Auspice Renown, so Iggy's moon gift doesn't go up. They just get the Shadow Gift facet. Iggy doesn't like Gift of Stealth's Purity facet, so they choose to unlock the Purity facet of a Wolf Gift instead. Legitimate move.
Example 3: Iggy raises Cunning AGAIN! Woo! Iggy's Moon Gift goes up 1 more, but Iggy hasn't unlocked any new Shadow Gifts. Iggy can put it in a wolf gift, if they want, but they decide to save this one for later. Now, the next time that Iggy unlocks a Shadow Gift, they'll get the Cunning Facet of that gift too, since they had one saved.
I'm allowed to disagree, and to point out errors that, when corrected, reduce the complexity. I'll apologize if it came across as browbeating. I'm not going to apologize for saying 'no, there are not that many steps, look'.
I wasn't trying to beat anyone over the head. Simply trying to respond to the points made, of which there were a lot, over a long block of text. Sorry if it came off like that.
At the end of the day, all I was trying to say is that this isn't really all that complicated. It can be explained in a couple of minutes, and after the first time or two you use it, it becomes pretty easy to calculate it.
It's really no more difficult than trying to explain in-and-out-of-clan disciplines and the rates that they can be raised, or how devotions work on xp costs, or how ruling, common, and inferior arcana work. Werewolf's stuff is pretty much all based on Renown. The gifts system might seem complex at first, but you take a good glance at it and it's pretty straightforward, once you get past the daunting step of learning a new system.
Apologies to @RDC if that's how it came across. That wasn't how I intended it. Was just trying to help.
Ok, well, there's a lot to break down there, but I guess there's nothing to do but dive right in:
The process of buying Moon Gifts is different from buying Shadow Gifts is different from buying Wolf Gifts.
Moon Gifts aren't normally bought. They raise with your Auspice Renown. You cannot buy them above your Auspice Renown. In the event that they publish more Moon Gifts, there is a cost listed for them, but that's about it. You can't buy these, otherwise.
Shadow Gifts just need to be unlocked by a spirit in certain circumstances. Wolf Gifts are inherent to all werewolves and never need to be unlocked. It's not really that complicated.
If you are Rahu and buy Cunning Renown, you get a Cunning facet of any Shadow gift you have unlocked. What happens if you have no unlocked gifts? You get a wolf gift.
No. You can choose to get a wolf gift, or save the facet unlock until such time as you have a gift it can apply to. That's RAW, in the book. You're only forced to take a facet if you have an open Shadow gift that it could apply to, and even then it's not hard to do a little pre-planning to not back yourself into a corner.
If you are a Rahu and buy Purity Renown, you get your Moon Gift for free (which doesn't need to be unlocked). Then you ALSO get a Shadow Gift's purity facet, which I didn't know until recently and I've been playing werewolf 2e since it came out (and staffing it) and literally only one player has ever pointed out to me in the entire time I've been staffing it, so this is obviously not super widely known. (Again, unless you don't have an unlocked gift with an open purity facet, in which case wolf gift, unless you don't have any more wolf gifts, in which case...?)
Where have you been playing and/or staffing? Because the games I know off, off the top of my head, that ran Werewolf 2.0 were Eldritch (and @Coin and I most certainly ran it with these rules -- I even wrote a whole big thing) and Reno/Portland -- and I know for a fact that we're doing that there, too. So...
Once you get it down, it's not that hard. But if you've ever tried to explain it to a newbie to werewolf? You'll find a LOT of things that are unclear and hard for them to wrap their heads around, and a lot of fiddly little things it's easy to get wrong even as a veteran.
I've explained it to -- fifty? Sixty? It usually takes all of like four minutes, lol.
"There are three basic types of Gifts: Moon, Shadow, and Wolf. Wolf Gifts are things that are inherent to all werewolves, and you can just buy these normally with no additional hassle. Moon Gifts are unique to each phase of the moon that a werewolf can turn under, and have a Renown associated with them. You raise the Renown, this gift goes up. Shadow Gifts are the powers of Spirits, and have to be unlocked by a spirit before you're allowed to buy them."
"When you raise a Renown, you can get a facet in a Shadow Gift for that renown for free. If it's your Auspice Renown, it also raises your moon gift. You can always choose to put this on a wolf gift if you want, or if you don't have a Shadow gift this can apply to and don't want to put it on a wolf gift, you can save it until you do have a shadow gift this can work for."
The dice pools for gift lists are ALL OVER THE PLACE and require extremely broad investment in attributes, skills, and renown compared to, say, vampire Disciplines (where some clans can buy their entire suite of Clan Disciplines up to 5 with only minor investment into attributes and skills to perform very well - a Daeva with Brawl and Empathy does everything a Daeva is expected to do, Discipline-wise, very well. A Gangrel with Brawl and Animal Ken, similarly. Show me a werewolf who can buy two skills and be competent at their Tribe/Auspice gift lists and intended roles.
Not a bug, a feature, given how integrated Renown is to every other part of werewolf. It's why we put the brakes on it so hard.
You might say, "Okay, but you're not supposed to focus on a single gift list, you're supposed to focus on your Auspice's renown!" Uh, all right, but now you're spending a TON of XP on gift unlocks and way behind in effectiveness while still being more complex and having a more varied skill list requirement.
I would never say such a thing. Have you met my werewolf?
Werewolf gifts are needlessly complex and while what they DO is very cool, they could have been organized into straightforward 1-5 lists like Disciplines and done similarly well.
They're really not that complex. I honestly think that you're just overthinking them, especially since the brunt of your examples come from an apparent misunderstanding of how the facet unlocks work.
@RDC said in Echoes in the Mists - CoD 2e MU:
werewolf gifts
What's complicated about them? They're super-clearly linked to Renown now.
@Coin said in TS - Danger zone:
I mean on the other hand posting a log and sharing it doesn't automatically mean someone else has to read it. Nobody is making you read that stuff.
Perv.
To be fair, I don't really read-read any of the logs. I just skim for synopsis.
@Ghost said in TS - Danger zone:
"If TS is in character and it's all about the story, then why is there so much aversion to posting logs containing TS or staff snooping in on scenes involving it (but most every other scene is okay to post?)"
As for this one, speaking purely for myself -- some of the best scenes I've been in, story-wise, had some sex in them. Or at least things related to sex. So honestly, I don't really care if you post them. I encourage people to do so if there is some element of character growth or story development in there.
If you're just posting logs because it's tuesday and you're bored and you wanna smash your bits together again -- I mean, I'm not gonna stop you, but I'm probably gonna be a little annoyed that you made me read that expecting there to be something relevant in it when in fact it's just you and your budd(y/ies) trying to find synonyms for 'moans' while describing some piston action or tongue movements.
@Ghost said in TS - Danger zone:
10 being OMGOOPSSTOP and 1 being "fuck it" lol
So if your parents are a ten, who's the 1?
Nothing we do is confidential, because it's all public record, but in the interests of removing as much identifying information as possible, I'll reword that post:
I don't actually know what to classify this one as, but I"m gonna just put it here...
clears through
Dear Opposing Counsel,
I appreciate that you liked the argument that we made to the Court of Appeals. But do you really think it's wise to take that argument (and, granted, you didn't take it verbatim, but you took the whole thing, citation for citation) and then print it in a legal publication that pretty much every judge and attorney in the state reads, agreeing with it as your own opinion -- while we're still waiting on a decision from the court?
I mean, that's a bold move, really. I'm not sure what you were trying to do there, but I hope it pays off for you.
Cheers.
@Ganymede said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
Here in Ohio, we have weeks that start with a high of 90 and fall to a low of 40.
Pfft. Move over one state. We have days that start like that.
You wanna come at me for calling the troll out on being a troll because I said something mean outside of the hog pit, fine.
But you maybe wanna tell the troll to keep his trolling bullshit there as well? Since that's the larger issue here?
Because, you know, clearly the problem here is that I said something mean to someone being unconstructive in a constructive area.
Ffs.
@Tyche said in OWoD Humble Bundle:
Actually, it's the code which allows the server to connect to the internet that does.
Then why are you even still here? Don't you have a bridge to hide under, somewhere?
@SunnyJ said in OWoD Humble Bundle:
Does it come with a list of coders willing to make a non-dumpster fire oWoD MU? Will pay double for that.
I rarely find that the code is what makes a game a dumpster fire or not.