Posts made by Kireek

@Kanye-Qwest We'll go halfsies, you can eat it for me.

@Tinuviel Not really, and this isn't exactly the first time I've done incredibly inane bullshit before on these forums.. Well not these forums.. WORA actually. Next time I'll try and break more rules.

@WTFE In my second post.. I stated, I don't deserve sympathy, this thread was more to get into contact with people who might be looking for me. The rest of this thread.. was in fact an exercise in a mixture of trolling/seeing what I could get people to articulate. I actually enjoyed reading and seeing the things that can be posted by WORA/MSB... it's why I constantly lurk the community after all. The sad fact of the matter is though that a number of people didn't really articulate anything very interesting.

Some, like @Mietze, @Ruckus, @Ganymede, etc did. It's always interesting seeing the intellectual side of the community versus the venomous hangers on that often pervades the community as well. Some of these faces are new as well, but a couple have been around in the community forever.. and its interesting seeing that dynamic.

I mean, if I actually wanted to stir shit in, I would of posted this in the Hogpit.. that kind of should of been your first clue.

Not the first time I've done inane shit to troll/get people to talk.. won't be the last time.. I miss Hello Raptor,,,

@Tinuviel Actually.. uh.. fuck dude, dammit, that is what I was actually planning on revealing. Well.. not exactly. You really just stole my thunder.. I even had grades written out for people and everything.

Once I saw @Caryatid's post.. saying that isn't what happened when I had the log of why I was banned in front of me.. I just knew I had to see where this went and see what I could get from people. Dammit! You stole my thunder...... You cunning bastard. I overplayed it with the sarcasm comment, I knew I fucked up with that one pretty hardcore. Dammit.

@Wizz What is Sarcasm? I wouldn't know anything about this magical invention!

@Roz Don't see the point of your quote, I mean why would you just repeat exactly what I'm saying?

@surreality Hm, I've got all sorts of questions now! This will be fun!

@surreality Hm! Did not know that! Thank you for informing me!

@Arkandel Nope!

@mietze Did you actually read the introduction to the actual thread? Where.. I was pretty upfront about why they had me leave? So you interpreted that as me.. trying to be a victim then? Considering my annoying arguments that kept this thread alive more had to deal with a personal petty problem that stemmed more with another problem. I'm worried I somehow managed to break the community by being actually upfront about my bullshit. Are you okay? Showing some level of cognizance and rationality about your faults and then complaining is unacceptable! Never could anyone sane stem from that behavior, instead better to hide everything and snipe from behind closed doors!

@Rucket Hm... Hmmmmmmmmmm... Considering I've only received that complaint from one person specifically for just acting normal- not belligerent or aggressive... ehhhhh no?

@Glitch It's not so much that she played that character- but if she wanted me to change my behavior or act differently around her.. she should of told me.. Instead I just kept blundering about offending her and getting onto her shit list. How am I supposed to change behaviors related to certain people that upset them if they don't communicate them? It's not that I think she went out of her way to do that, she just neglected to totally inform me of it happening.

@Rucket Hissy Fit- Singular. Again, in those 'gentle reminder pages' I went out of my way to specify they could fake it, they could just not do it, all are acceptable, it was just that- a reminder if they wanted to do it, the day I did it was the last day. Again, if they faked I'd not know about it, nor particuarly care.

@Caryatid You could of had this discussion.. you know.. before? It wouldn't of hurt my feelings because I'm not overly sensitive about things like that. and we likely could of had a more productive and healthy relationship because of it. If behavior offends you, you don't respond to it with what is basically positive reinforcement and then expect that behavior to change... that is basically setting everyone up for failure..

@Ganymede Never pressured anyones character to be something they are not, that specifically didn't happen. If I informed them of a system existing- and how to use it, well... thats one thing, but I didn't ask other characters to somehow become political characters- I asked guardsmen to do guardsmen related tasks, I asked inquisitors to do inquisitor related tasks, crafters to do crafter related tasks- things that there rp ALREADY is reflecting. Thats actually the kind of neat thing about the task system is its very nice to stretch that stuff over your already existing rp- I never tried to get players to do things that were not in their own characters roleplay oocly- I did that via bribes icly!

Again, just found plot threads to follow and investigate, they would likely me lead me to the end result. The seeds of what happened are kind of spread about all the other characters, and you can still pick up a few pieces. If positioning yourself well to solve the plot before the plot actually comes out is.. a problem then I'll accept that charge.

Again, this conversation took a rather odd turn when @Caryatid got involved, at least, that's personally how I feel about it considering I wonder if she was already well predisposed against me and then apped in a character that she knew was going to have to interact with me on a very regular basis... and then failed to inform me so I couldn't try and play with her in a way that would make her feel more comftrable.

@Kayne Qwest If you don't realize that people have been asking for ooc support in games and talking oocly about the game I have to ask what exactly were you hoping to happen? The sad fact of the matter I too have been personally asked by a number of people oocly which by definition broke the rules about support and asking for support. The thing is I didn't get upset about it, even in scenes where I supported 1 or 0, and was asked, I didn't feel pressured, and the thing is.. people are still going to be doing it.

You were told more than once, publicly and privately, that we value fun and demand OOC civility. You were told specifically that we don't allow you to harass/cajole/even ask players for IC support OOC, and told explicitly that you are not to ask players about their stats. I get that these things might not seem like a big deal, and in the grand scheme of things, they absolutely aren't. But we have a very, very small staff, and we intend to keep it that way by reducing GM overhead and busywork, and being firm and prompt about removing players we feel will demand more work from us. We aren't babysitters, so if you keep doing things that mean we have to keep watching you for problematic behavior, that's you..

So I just want to summarize-
1.May be being a little overly sensitive on that issue- but fair enough, I'll concede that point. All I ask is that when the support system got blown up on the channels as decreasing usability and I was only once voice in that debate of a number.. did those people also get an equal talking to? If not, why not?

2.Lul. Harass, nonsense. Unfortunately you are by definition creating an atmosphere where even being friendly about asking for support can be construed as lawbreaking and rule breaking- the worst part is that just sent all that shit underground and out of the game. Do you think the houses with large support networks are getting that support without reminding people to make sure they do their support? It happens, and instead of banning it outright.. it perhaps might of been wiser to try and regulate it because now players who know each other are just going to keep talking about it secretly while new players without those connections are going to be functioning without a paddle.

3. Did not ask to see that players stats. If saying I'm curious about the rest of a players sheet now once I learned they had freely offered 100 xp into another bit of stats is asking.. and then they offer it, I didn't technically ask, did I, I never demanded they tell me either.

4,Personality Conflict- I really have a hard time buying that.... but okay... love that is an offense now... and is definitely something you can pin on me... so alright fair enough?... Words.. Every... word..

@Ganymede said in Arx- Gareth:

But I don't take it OOC, or try to get people to break rules, or try to coerce people into playing what's needed for my faction (rather than what they want to play), or try to get an advantage during the Alpha-development stage of a game.

I don't know if I actually believe that sentiment is realistic Ganymede. You don't believe it's appropriate to talk oocly about people in your factions about scenes you might want to have, why you haven't gotten the results you should of for things etc? In a game where I play an antagonistic character- it can often behoove me to speak oocly to people about things, to communicate feelings, emotions, sentiments, etc.

I also would ask, perhaps curiously..about the support system, and it forbidding OOC communication... leads me to the point of asking..

Has no one hear written a gentle reminder message to anyone in their lives about forgetting something? it's a fairly common practice in business and socially when it comes to asking for things... and its a fairly useful tool to communicate things between people. Such notes are attempted to be written as non-accusatory etc, and It's odd that such behavior, when combined with the fact if you outright tell people they don't have to do it is somehow discouraged in the game. Especially considering the changes made to the support system actually made support somewhat of a chore to actually do, (writing a number of complicated commands)- it was often something that people put off...............................................................................................................................

and then proceed to then forget about.

I had already found this point quite annoying, and frankly the charges that I was trying to intentionally get advantages during play is doubly unfounded.. I am just playing the games and systems that were given to me, as they were meant to be realistically used by people. I apped in a character who was supposed to solve crimes, and was given just constant pressure by a number of people icly to solve that crime. I never once claimed to actually of solved that plot, only that I had gained threads to follow and things to investigate in solving it. Which given that the game has been in alpha for several months is the best one can do given the information provided.

@WTFE Thanks for making it so I don't double post! Didn't want to commit a Faux-Pas. We'll be besties forever now.

When it comes to Dawn's Alt, I did in fact take the hint after I tried to engage them in roleplay again.. and did not contact that character again.. and gave the character a wide berth.. yet they apped in as Dawn.. and then failed to inform me that they were the same character- which means I continued with my normal behaviors that I had with most people.. that many seemed to have little issue with, Silas, Isolde, Esera, Arianwen, larissa, Rohkir, Talen, Kima, Audric, etc.

But yes, you are right I did miss something.... though this only really can come into perspective once you realize someone you had a previous issue with is playing basically your faction head and doesn't inform you of it.

When I was arguing with Apostate he described me as competitive, yet he always expressed this in terms of systems, and numbers. I thought I was arguing about the fact that they thought I was someone who was into twinking, someone who was hardcore into numbers and eeking out every little performance boost. It constantly weird-ed me out that Apostate always didn't seem to get that I much rather prefer plots, and running plots.. and investigation.. After all, I was happy with a very poorly optimized character, and didn't rely on dice at all to get most of my roleplay done.

Yet Your posting has illuminated me to something, Pof Dawn, That isn't what we were arguing out at all.. it was that I was too into advancing my factions interests too much apparently. That the fact that I was willing to talk oocly about plans to talk with people, talk shop about ways to approach people, get their help, either politically or investigations that made you uncomfortable... and then it all made sense...

and now I can't help but go wait what? Apostate designed a game based on factions, some diametrically opposed, put in place a system of politics, spying and pawns with real risks and tangible rewards and... then.. doesn't want me to advance my factions interests? Nor do they want their players to talk with my fellow clan members about the best way to do that, or teach them HOW to do that?

Wha.. wh-why you do this thing?

On a related note:I also love that plug for Ooc information from IC scenes- the most recent conversation was something to this effect- Me: Up for a scene?
Dawn:No I have a meeting with all the highlords?
Me Oh really cool what about?
time passes
Me: How did the scene go?!
Dawn: Oh nothing happened because x didn't show up.
Me:Oh so Y was there then (A highlord)?..
tons of information there.. me asking about what sounds like a very cool and interesting scene, that you offered up freely about occurring.. What did you exactly expect to happen? For me to just not say anything? or perhaps.. maybe show some interest and concern for your roleplay because we are ostensibly on the same side and what I thought was friends. If you didn't want me to know you could of just.. said nothing, you could of said I have a scene planned and leave it at that, but no you freely offered that information.. and now are trying to claim I tried to pull it out of you.. unwillingly.. information you provided hooks for me to ask about freely?

@Caryatid Have I not admitted to problematic behavior above? I just also pointed out that for some of it was not exclusively me. If you are speaking about our specific incidents.. you say you tried to be charming and helpful but I have to ask now.. if you felt uncomfortable why didn't you just tell me? If you are talking about our first scene- where I assumed (perhaps rightfully?) That you are and were a new player... and was explaining the mechanics of the game to you.. while also asking/referring to support.. Or perhaps you are talking about an alt you don't have listed on your played by list? Or perhaps you are referring to something else? I am very much curious about this.

Thing is, they never actually spoke with me about the rules, only my 'negativity'.. which given that the first discussion was about me looking for more Graysons... I am uncertain what you mean by direction however? Is it that I am using the mechanics provided for me? Things we are encouraged to use to get.. money, npcs and social benefits? Perhaps you were not there for the first nerf of resources.. I had managed to complete 2 level 75 tasks, which netted me nearly 700 in social resources by myself on top of my original 200 or so. The nerf killed basically 800 resources, with all that bonus/extras I used to earn it not being returned. It disproportionate affected my character more than others, and rather than complain publicly, which I knew I would get in trouble for.. I talked to you, who I thought was my friend..

Apparently it made you uncomfortable.. yet you never revealed to me you were playing an alt that I had already interacted with and got off to a bad start with because of an awkward page I sent you. A page that was intentioned to be a friendly reminder to put up support for a scene that we actually had btw. The end result being the intention that you were meant to send me support. Something I was trying to remind you oocly you could do, or not seeing as it was the last day to do it for that week.(At least if my assumptions now are correct) If I had known that you were the same player of that character and Dawn I would have at least been a bit more careful because I learned from that awkward exchange that you were perhaps more sensitive then others.. but you didn't tell me that.. and so I just blundered around.. and I worry that perhaps.. that such lack of information and communications let some feelings fester perhaps a bit too long that may have.. hmm.

This at the very least explains why their decision changed overnight now.. huh!
and ontop of that.. I'm now very worried about House Grayson.. if.. you cant communicate honestly oocly with people who are supposed to be your friends and allies.. I.. this is very worrisome.

Maybe the reason you were uncomfortable is you didn't say anything about it.. ever.. period.. and allowed me to continue interacting with you and staff never specified for me to not talk with you.. and THEN you apped in as the character who I have to interact with basically constantly.. and then still didn't tell me that I made you uncomfortable..

I mean for god sakes, you were one of two people I actually contacted before I left the game to say I got banned and wanted to talk to here actually becuase I saw your post. Thats how poorly you were signaling your discomfort.

Wow, I am quite sad that you feel that I have behaved so poorly, especially considering I tried to work with you both icly and oocly to further our faction to the best of our abilities. This is doubly painful to hear sense you harbored such feelings and we were supposedly on the same team..
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Sorry that you did not accept my apology for such behavior. I as only apologizing for making you feel put upon and uncomfortable.. and not actually for the behavior itself. Wow, I had no idea you felt that way.. if only you had given me some indication of that.. sometime.. hmm..

@Crysta Ah! Did not know that! Well, neat!

I.. am curious to know how I am misrepresenting what happened? I was upfront about claiming to throw a hissy fit? I mean.. is that not what happened? That was the the reason for my removal from the game was it not?

Is it that I was the only complainer? I mean.. I'm pretty sure that Rohkir complained about the Support system in particular as much as I did. As for the being allowed to stay then asked to leave.. that happened.. uh.. what else..

Is it the character that was generated itself? That person posted his sheet to the channel (which I didn't ask to see)- and to my knowledge, you cannot buy above rank 3 in cgen.. but this toon started with rank 5 in their skills.. Um.. what else.. could I be misrepresenting? Was it that I asked for his sheet? Because I didn't do that either, he posted it himself because Silas asked him in the GR channel.. and I just responded to that.. quite poorly actually.

OH YAH I remembered why I got in trouble the first time, this ones kinda fun- I really really tried to sell guests on joining House Grayson- like all the time, hard sell stuff. Apparently uh, for newer players, Hellfrog and Apostate felt that I shouldn't try and.. persuade them so hard because it might put them off the game, or House Grayson. (Fair enough.)

Second Talking to was complaining about Support System 2.0.. which I wasn't the only person to complain about vocally....

Third was my replacement fear hissy fit.. I uh.. those were the things I was talked to about..
Was it that we left on amiable terms? Is that what I'm misrepresenting? I mean.. Apostate offered me the code base they are working on.. I mean is that wrong? I'm honestly confused on how I'm misrepresenting myself, like I am earnestly interested to know this.. becuase I don't want to misrepresent things, becuase I actually like Arx, and if offered to play there again would do so in a heartbeat.

Hm? Well I am glad I have some sympathy at least, though I must admit I've no idea why, I mean.. I left on pretty amiable terms, no hardcore psychotic meltdowns, no accusations of staff corruption.. no real drama..

Yurp

This post is more for.. people I didn't get to say goodbye to, and perhaps get recommendations from them for other games to play....

Unfortunately there was apparently (and this is not my opinion), an irreconcilable difference of opinion on the value and importance of mechanics in the game. Nothing quite like being sterotyped as a hardcore crunch guy eh?

Regardless, I was uh.. told yesterday at 8/30 that I would be given one final chance to continue playing because I got very annoyed at.. let us say- nah fuck it, threw a hissy fit because the individual in question basically made a super twink character in the same family, who is basically james bond... with none of the skills to represent the social/seduction/foppish aspect of said character.

Even though I proceeded to have normal interactions with the player of that character, helped him get set up, set him on some investigation leads, and helped tutor them on how to roleplay our house correctly..(I was more upset about the fact that the character entered into play with max stats in his assigned role when regular cgen is limited- I did not feel any ill-will to the actual player of the character afterall, its a roster system.).. I got a message back that the person decided that I should instead leave actually.

Kinda sucks. Especially considering some of the things I've complained about.. people later complained about and I wonder if they got in the same amount of trouble that I did... in those earlier instances. (Task/Support complains, XP changes, etc)

Regardless, what is most upsetting is all that work I put into putting puzzle pieces together and trying to solve the games plot before the plot even came out... All that work wasted.. bah..

So depressing. Yet it is their game, and if they feel that they need to stifle such behavior in order to create a more accepting game- even if such behavior in some aspects can actually be productive and find solutions.. I mean.. that is their prerogative, and I don't leave with any real sense of ill will towards the individual inquestion except a sinking feeling.. Very sad.

Yo, So was recently asked to ah.. leave Arx. Personality conflicts and the like..

Anyway, I played Gareth

Time to go find something else to do I suppose. Hm. First time I've been kicked from an Mush/Mux, especially for something I personally viewed as relatively minor. If you want to talk, PM or keep in touch, I'll be around here, on and off as always.

I suppose, in summary, So long and thanks for all the fish...

Looks like there are some server issues.. Sad, Very sad.. the lag is very intense at the moment.. hoping it clears up!

So how are things coming along here? Still.. watching.