@ganymede said in RL things I love:
@auspice said in RL things I love:
"She filled her dress like a bunch of sleeping kittens. I just wanted to pet every part of her."
Yes, well, I remember Oogie Boogie, so if a woman's dress looks like it's filled with kittens it is equally likely she is just a burlap sack filled with vermin.
I was about to ponder a sack of kittens involving lots of oddly moving lumps and bumps, then thought it might come off wrong.
@tragedyjones said in Good TV:
And thus, Nico and Karolina shall be played everywhere.
Let it be known.
Only on Hulu? Wtf. Not everybody can be Netflix. Stay in your lane, Hulu.
Netflix only allows 2 marvel titles a season, it's tied up with defenders and their solo seasons. Hopefully it's well done. I've enjoyed Legion so far, and others not on Netflix.
Netflix is doing 3 Marvel shows in 2017. Iron Fist, Defenders, and The Punisher.
That's good news that they're up to 3 a season now, thanks for clarifications.
As much as I am looking forward to Shane as Frank, I'd like to see some of the prior defenders series continuing. 3 is still too limited. If Greg Berlanti and crew can do so much on CW, the defenders crew could manage 3 a season at least (and I do prefer the Netflix Marvel over the CW DC runs).
And I'm still good with FX on Legion (my favorite to date to be honest), Runaways on Hulu, and the upcoming Cloak and Dagger being on another network. I think my favorite thing is there is a bit of oversight, even if very limited, to at least try to keep it tied to Marvel Cinematic Universe rather than existing in a free state, separate from each other. Never needs to be any cross over, but just the little bits of fallout related to movie events has made it a cohesive universe that is not dependent on one network/production company (outside Marvel Productions I suppose)
And thus, Nico and Karolina shall be played everywhere.
Let it be known.
Only on Hulu? Wtf. Not everybody can be Netflix. Stay in your lane, Hulu.
Netflix only allows 2 marvel titles a season, it's tied up with defenders and their solo seasons. Hopefully it's well done. I've enjoyed Legion so far, and others not on Netflix.
@the-tree-of-woe said in X-Men Game:
A thought I had was basically 'Secret Empire' (Ugh) ends so badly that nobody's sure that the United States is going to exist as a coherent entity past that point, so the X-Men go back to Utopia and create 'Nation X' but honestly Secret Empire is such a trashfire even I only sorta like that idea.
Or some shit happened, thanks to mutants/supers, there is no US or other large nations, x-sphere at Utopia maintains order there, the world at large is survival level play. Go from there, not year one or canon but something different? Instead of waiting for the next x-virus, invasion of aliens/gods/alien-gods, some other calamity, why not say it did happen?
These last few posts reinforces the concern of FC and OC, already a variety of what should/shouldn't be good for X-Men based Utopia. I don't care which what is allowed, just be consistent when the decision is made and defend don't let the gates open more and more as was said on this thread.
@ghost tons of faserip marvel canon stats done up ... Ben Reilly's mshrpg stat pages
@tnp said in FCs on Comic MUs:
@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:
Re: gender-swapping, of interest it has only ever to my remembrance been used to flip M2F.
Actually, someone apped Wolfsbane (Rahne) as a male and played him for a bit. As for why gender swapping, why play an Alt U version of a character? Because it's a different take on it that can be interesting. It's all about what you do with it and how you play it.
This.
If changing an FC to only be, basically the idea of the char and power set and maybe the same colorful tights. Why not just OC it. Sure writers change lots of details all the time. But OC, and original theme in general, has so much potential, why just take name and powers of an FC. Another poster said they like FC for some established potential relationship driven dynamics. The choosing theme and cutoff informs players that like some basis for FCs what to expect.
I'm good either way but goes back to what @Kanye-Qwest was getting at. Allowing or disallowing FC alterations and to what extent becomes this. Either way, staff allowing or disallowing change to various degree, does then require defending with current or potential other player's or accepting that choice may deter potential players.
For me, there are so many takes on an FC that most end up being OC that looks like and has power set of the FC. Why not just make an OC game and do that?
Inverse is true. There are so many canon characters, from FC down to single appearance with a vast array of powers and abilities, almost any OC can find correalation to a canon character, why not find a canon and tweak these details just the same.
Personally I would just like more original theme Mu*s.
@bored said in FCs on Comic MUs:
And I'm not even talking about huge, complicated, far-reaching storylines. Just that if you can't emit some of the Sinister Six out causing problems, I don't think you have any business playing Spider Man (who notably, doesn't really have a 'sit and lead meetings' alternative RP option, either). And if you don't have the attitude that you can participate in a scene you're 'running' without totally god-moding and invalidating anyone else, you're also not the sort of player that should have these characters.
This bears some conversation to the genre of comic mu*s in general. Even as potpourri/cross-over has come up. I can't say when it became standard, but villain's as PCs is one of those elements that may have made some folks gun shy of doing this just. I don't want to distract from your point, any FC should run out, meet up with some villain, let others in and have fun. Its not some PrP, its just doing something, keeping others involved, running a little something that is sphere appropriate. I concur more FC level, especially iconic level characters, should be capable of doing this (and just being available in general as has been noted)
Spider Man should have some level of authority to bring in common foes for himself within his sphere, and allow those nearby to actively help deal with it.
But, I can see the reluctance of bringing in the Vulture for a one shot, let alone some recurring nemesis, who gets Spidey into some trouble and other players are there to help him out so they all figure out some team work and save the day, or not with Vulture getting away with the goods to harass Spidey again. Just that he could well show up as a PC next week, or was played last month. With personal story and plots, I tend to run towards in the moment if its suitable, bring on some villain, deal with aftermath later and had it come back to bite; 'Hey you, we the staff don't want any named Villains touched even if they're not on the staff only-NPC list because they could become players.' I think last time involved Wrecking Crew (Thor foes (backstory) that have battled Defenders (1st Appearance) and street levels up to Avengers and Cap), maybe they thought these goons should only be utilized by Thor, I'm sure no one wanted to play any of them.
I think, and this is most likely just me, that comics tend towards PvE but with villains allowed as PCs it sort of skews it towards a necessity of PvP where, if iconic level PCs can't run standard villains by name, it makes them more reluctant to do this (run the Sinister Six as Spiderman). I know, it doesn't stop Spidey from coffee RP only or hanging out in 'Bedroom' with Mary Jane only simply because of this, but makes me curious how many of the 'good' facheads/story tellers/etc, or players in iconic level positions, do lean towards that reluctance because of the opening/allowing of villains as PC'able?
@roz said in FCs on Comic MUs:
okay wtf is a potpourri game
I think it was meant, in this thread, to talk about the multi-verse comic places; ie we accept marvel/dc/addon/etc.
@prototart said in FCs on Comic MUs:
@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:
I can see how people may believe there to be a massive discussion about timelines on other games. I mean, it seems that there's an awful lot of discussion of this nature for a game like UH, for example, but I'd like to hear it from those players.
The problems I've had and the arguments I've seen figuring out wtf is going on/has happened/exists/how anything reconciles together/whatever have really all been on potpourri games but from what everybody's said I don't think my experience is a standard one
The more open discussions (or debates on those topics) are related to potpourri games. As staff on single canon places with cutoffs, as @Kanye-Qwest west indicated, its defining the cutoff or start (even as Year One sometimes) and then having to defend the cutoff, as staff. Even if knowing what timelines or dimensions or alternative universes there may be, there's always going to be someone who wants certain aspects in a favorite FC that doesn't always fit with that theme. It does take defense of it, at the expense of saying no and the player accepting it or wanting to argue their case more. It just is what it is really. But its one thing that can lead to burnout or just headache in general. Most players are pretty good about accepting, some are not. The more popular the place, the more staff defend their cutoff/timeline/theme or cave and open the flood gates a little more.
I'm over potpourri, I would prefer to see more original theme/takes on comics (including ideas like Marvel1963 vs just 'year one'). Picking a set story-arc/time/cutoff even in single canon, I'm reluctant of because it would take understanding of how it all fits together and canno-verse comic books are overwhelming complex.
@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:
Seriously, all of you on this wrongfun whining and nitpicking and all OC's are the only sane way to comic, blah blah.
Also, I may have used wrongfun, but only to point out I'm tired of wrong fun. Honestly, I'm speaking from opinion, I'd prefer OC over FC these days. My way is not the right way either, not by a long shot.
Edit: Marvel1963 approached comics from a good standpoint. I app'ed in there way back, just not enough activity at my time of day. It was painless and oddly enough, I took a canon character and changed nothing of their history because their history was pre-1963 (Night Raven). I'd definitely recommend the game, but its nothing like general comic mu* trends.
@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:
@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:
@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:
My experience: Almost zero. And its been ... I don't even know. At least a year, going on year and a half to two?
Is your experience limited to your game? Because your game has a very definite time and scope, so I can see why there would be fewer issues regarding timelines or versions.
I can see how people may believe there to be a massive discussion about timelines on other games. I mean, it seems that there's an awful lot of discussion of this nature for a game like UH, for example, but I'd like to hear it from those players.
Yeah, I've said before (in this thread) this is my first comic game.
Others are speaking in general. Marvel1963 is an interesting concept that is basically a Marvel Year One, alternative history. More like a reset. There are no defined FCs in canon as canon is reset for the game in question.
@prototart said in FCs on Comic MUs:
@lotherio said in FCs on Comic MUs:
In any canon with cutoff, as comics have been around like, a century+ and such, there is a crazy level of history to any pre-cutoff that has been explored in canon with timetravel and back story that defining can't be just selecting a cutoff point and assuming everyone knows what is meant even.
Sure but isn't that what theme files are for? Giving an actionable sense of where stuff is at and the feel and the theme you're going for?
I don't think you need to've read every single comic a character was in to know enough to play them in a way they're recognizably them, there are a ton of wiki places now that aren't crap and I mean tbh you can get literally every comic ever made online without spending a dime anymore if you want to
I think maybe the issue isn't how "limiting" canon places are but just how insanely pedantic a ton of the old ones were with detail? Like, I remember places that expected you to do a bg that mentioned literally every single thing that's ever happened to that char and were just, "of a skill isn't written up you don't have it even if it's a completely basic life skill almost everyone picks up"
I've clearly been out of this forever, I've been on like two games in 4 years, but I really think a canon place would do totally fine as long as you made it clear a bg by Tolstoy and power entries that talk about how your powers work based in physics aren't remotely needed to get a char
This is what @Kanye-Qwest meant I believe in the difficulty of staffing an place with FCs. Staff has to spend time defining what is or isn't allowable, then deal with players reasoning other concepts that were not included in the defining but players with some knowledge could rationalize. Like, lets say we take a recent cutoff in Marvel history. Someone want's Kurt. Is it AoA Kurt Darkholme, returned Monk Kurt, what if someone wants pre Monk Kurt and more traditional Kurt, or two Kurts allowed? What about Nocturne, someone always wants Nocturne? What is Mystiques one and true history going to be, it affects what affects Kurt? It is all pedantic, and it falls on staff to define cutoff with enough detail to avoid confusion and then defend it against pedantics.
Which is my lean towards OC being a thing. I wish there was just more original theme in general I suppose vs relying on canon because most places fall into the same curiosities it seems. If I play another canon comic place, my preference is one flavor (only marvel, only DC, hard cutoff), but I'd never staff on such a place if ever asked again.
@prototart said in FCs on Comic MUs:
@arkandel said in FCs on Comic MUs:
@kanye-qwest But there's no reason the time period can't be defined either for the entire game or the character in question.
"This is Rebirth Superman".
(In fact, to me, there's no other way that makes sense but there are so many hybrid MU* out there I guess I must be a minority)
Right? Like... pretty much every comic game I played on until I took an, idk, 6-ish year break had a theme that was just "it's (Marvel/DC), this is when it's set."
And those places always had plenty of players so I really, genuinely dunno what changed that made everybody decide you just couldn't do a comic place that anybody'd play on unless it was potpourri
Decline in players at those places, the single canon joints started closing down due to lack of interest. They all started going towards the 'year-0' to have less definition of chars to be more open, others started to open up to potpourri resets of themselves even. The trend just kept on going, resets, potpourri's, how to be more open versus 'limiting' cutoffs.
The 6 year break is interesting, back then I was more into comic places, especially the one flavor sort (Its Marvel here is our cutoff, its DC here is our cutoff). Now I have an overall disinterest in comic places but I keep trying (as a daytime player, I'm not privy to metaplots on virtually most places, comic places have traditional been the most open to freeform PrP style play to me).
@kanye-qwest said in FCs on Comic MUs:
@arkandel But there IS a reason, and the reason is: I have things I would rather do with my time than 1. define that and 2. defend my definition endlessly
I mean obviously I'm being fippant, if you are down to spend your time that way, excellent. I would never, ever staff on a comic game where people could play published characters.
I have to second this. Still feel more potential for less wrong fun drama in an OC environment. Crossover with what I want for a new setting. Wild Cards, Year 0, No FCs. Jetboy died trying to stop the alien virus, all wild cards are OC.
Or better, something else 'happened', people now have powers, all OCs.
As noted, by @Kanye-Qwest, Just defining that cutoff choice and what's allowable FC wise is a nightmare and a lot of places that have done that start from knowledgeable staff base when the average player base is more casual fan I believe. It takes defending to say, no X can't be here yet, they're post cutoff, or Y can't be here, they only crossed into the dimension in Z and returned to their world, its canon, we're not allowing them back in (but why?, no, but why?).
In any canon with cutoff, as comics have been around like, a century+ and such, there is a crazy level of history to any pre-cutoff that has been explored in canon with timetravel and back story that defining can't be just selecting a cutoff point and assuming everyone knows what is meant even.
@caryatid said in MSB Popularity Contest:
@mietze Want to be my evil court chamberlain?
Who didn't want t be evil chamberlain?
@ganymede said in The Hockey Thread:
Maybe, but ice-stomping is really, really dangerous, as is grabbing someone by the helmet.
My really bad sense of humor and sarcasm wasn't turned on properly. Ice stomping literally makes me cringe, just from all the accidental blade cuts seen over the years.
@ganymede said in The Hockey Thread:
Did you see Crosby ice-stomping PK Subban?
Not PK Subban (I'd almost switch to a Preds fan for Subban), but a few other players out there, I'd be more lenient of this activity ...