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Ninjakitten

@Darren Check whether you're using version 291 of Beip, and if not, get that. There was a bug in the way the tooltip timestamps works that became clear only when December started, and that looks like the same result.

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@Darren Thank you! He's curious what the 'show details' button would show, but he'll also try to repro the issue on his Ubuntu system and see if he can find what's going wrong.

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@Cobaltasaurus @surreality Yeah, I was wondering too, 'cause it was the other one I specifically reported but it did include essentially 'maybe I'm old but this looks like a kid to me' and 'just hide those things from people working' happening sometime after that left me kind of uncertain. (The other one made me go wtf uncomfortably too but I honestly wasn't sure I wasn't just missing some reference.) If the flagging system isn't working right, that probably needs fixing.

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@Darren Ooh, you're using it under WINE? Did it hang or crash in that picture or did it do that and keep otherwise working, and what were you doing/trying to do at the time? Does it do that a bunch? If you have Discord and want to drop in on the server, the dev (Bennet) would definitely be interested in talking to you about it (I asked).

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@reversed I bring you a good news! The dev heard your complaint about the beep and did some poking around, and he's figured out how to disable it. When the next update comes out, that'll be in it.

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@reversed You could pop into the Discord (or just put an issue in the github) and ask the dev for that option!
As for the sound thing, sorry, I shouldn't talk when I'm half-asleep. I tested it and it didn't work anyway, I think because Beip isn't technically the one doing it. Still, it's another thing that could be brought up, and if there's a way to mute it he'd likely look into it. (And you also might find a solution poking around in Windows, so good plan!)

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@reversed For the latter, try Preferences > Activity Notify > Solid and see if that does it for you. For the former, right-click the speaker in your taskbar, pick 'Open Volume Mixer', and click the little speaker icon at the bottom of BeipMU's section -- that should mute the program. I'm pretty sure the 'you can't delete anymore' ding is an OS thing.

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@hedgehog
Weird Al Yankovic - Syndicated Inc.

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@TNP
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@Auspice said in How to Approach (nor not) a Suspected Creep:

There is always, always some level of OOC involved.

This whole 'oh it's just IC, oh we can't let our OOC feelings get-'

You know what it smacks of?

'teehee that wasn't me being shitty that was my character'
'ha ha I didn't do that terrible, horrible thing you didn't like and specifically asked me not to, my character did.'

OOC always factors in to an extent. Always.

This is eating at me, because I'm admittedly pretty tired but this is not what I see people saying. I feel it's setting up a strawman. And I will note, I'm saying this as someone who sees no reason it'd be out of line to page a person and ask whether they're feeling OOCly comfortable with things, even if it's not me doing the Things.

A character hitting on another character, charmingly or creepily or anywhere in between, is being OOCly controlled by a player, yes. But that does NOT mean the player is OOCly being creepy (or, indeed, charming). That doesn't mean character 2's player doesn't feel OOCly creeped out, and this is why IMO it's good for players of not-that-nice/well-behaved characters to check in with the players of the targets of that behaviour and make sure things are copacetic on that level, but it is not inherently problematic.

I have played characters doing things I wasn't entirely comfortable with, but were what the character would do. I've generally checked in with the people involved to make sure they were good with how the story was going, when doing so, but the point is that 'OOC always factors in to an extent' is not true in the way you seem to be implying. If my character is hitting on X hard, it doesn't mean I want to TS X's player. (I write slowly and only have so much energy to spare. I don't have time to TS if I want to get anything else done! Most of my characters still hit on people.) It means my character is into their character, or has some reason to play up seeming to be.

And that's the thing here. Things do get done purely in character. Some of them might look pretty bad. Some of them might, ICly, BE pretty bad. But the issue with your examples is that they don't illustrate 'OOC always influences IC', they illustrate 'some people are jerks who OOCly ignore other players' expressed boundaries, and some of those jerks try to use an excuse of ICness as cover'.

If you-the-player tell me-the-player that you're up for the characters being in a relationship but only if there's no infidelity, and I agree to this and then my character goes out and cheats anyway, that is an entirely different issue than if my character meets yours in a bar and proceeds to ruthlessly mock your character's hair until it's so embarrassed it falls right out of her head. I have no OOC agenda; my character probably has an IC one. I'd aim to make sure nothing was actually being upsetting to you, the player behind the character, but even if I failed to reach out, it would not be reasonable for some third person to report me as an OOC asshole for the fact that my character is an IC one. They can go ahead and ask you if you're OOCly good with things, and if you're not, they can support you in OOCly asking me to tone it down, and if I refuse to modify my IC interaction with you once you've made it clear it's making you-the-player OOCly uncomfortable, well, then I really am kind of an asshole. But not until then.

So sure, page the person you're worried about and check in if you want. Phrasing it probably is going to be awkward. I dunno, "Hey, Bob's coming on to Sarah pretty strong, and I just wanted to make sure you're feeling okay with it OOCly," maybe? But once you get a 'yes' the issue becomes that you don't like Bob-player's style of playing Bob, and if it's not directed at you, well, what I do if someone's style makes me uncomfortable is avoid playing with them as much as I can. I mean, you could ask him to tone it down, but unless it's pretty egregious, that really starts reaching into telling people how to play their characters. And if it IS egregious, then it must be bad enough that you can make a first-person complaint on your own behalf and leave Sarah and her player out of it.

This got long, but I'm too tired to make it short. So I guess that's the long and short of it from where I sit.

Ninjakitten

Okay! The store has updated. If you don't update fast enough automatically, you can go to the page in the app store and convince it to from there.

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An unexpected bug showed up with the change of month! There's already a fixed github version; the store one's been submitted but not processed on their end yet. In the meantime, timestamps will be kind of broken. I'll post again when the developer says the store version's been approved and is available.