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I think your post is bait as you are very very very personally involved in all of this - however - I will take it.
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I don't really agree with all the people that were banned. The same as I don't agree with all the ones that were never banned. None of you (or them) are in my RL - so I'm not going to say I like or dislike anyone. I don't think I have deep personal connections to anyone, mainly as I'm pretty private about those things as well. So even stating that my reasoning would be because 'I like them' is rather without any form of understanding. I do not believe (I could be wrong) that I have ever jumped on someone or just stuck up for someone 'just because' that was not needed.
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The reasons that I think they shouldn't have been banned, and remember you asked, is because I think it makes those in the deciding force look like hypocrites. I'll expand -- first I'm not insulting you personally as I don't know you personally -- however, I have been in this community for years. I know that moderators here have made decisions/comments in the heat of the moment that did not go over well. They have been forgiven and sometimes embraced by that - but are unwilling to do the same? It's not a good look. I expected better, but that was my expectation, not an agreed upon thing.
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Why should they be unbanned? Because they were reacting in the heat of the moment that happened over multiple days. They were reacting to something that they felt passionate about. Not everyone is clear thinking in those moments especially when they are being told to shut up and sit down when they are very impassioned about it. I'm not going to say they were right or wrong, but the actions taken to ban them were not the correct move. It could have gone down so much differently. We have admin on this board saying it was their fault and apologizing (not that I'm saying it was) but then that means they see there are two sides to this. I think both sides should be given the white flag in this to both come out of this with clearer heads and then see what happens moving forwards. If they choose to move in a horrible way after the bans are lifted --- well then that speaks on them NOT in a rather intense moment. It will speak to the community at that point too. I think they deserve a reset when you are asking for one. It's only fair. And I know life isn't fair, but when you are in a position to make it fair -- you try to make it fair.
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This isn't peace. I know that I feel I am UNABLE to talk because you, Derp, will jump on me. Or Gany will decide to ban me. Or countless other reasons. You are not seeing peace, you are seeing fear. Which is perhaps what you wanted. I speak for myself, even if I've spoken to others, because my voice is the only one I can speak to. This peace you think you have is a community dying. I'm sad by this. I'm sad that you can't see through your objective to see it objectively. Seriously, I'm not angry. I'm sad. There have been people here that I've shared life things with, RP things with, and just shared. The silence is not peace. Look at who you have posting. You now have the minority and you don't see this and worse, you don't see the problem with it; you see it as a win. This isn't supposed to be Derp/Gany board - it is supposed to be the community board and you've effectively silence the community and don't see it.
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Your statement on kindness? It shows your lack of empathy for it. You shouldn't be kind because in the heat of the moment they were not kind to you? Do you think that makes you a good admin? You are taking an example of one thing not an example of years of things, it's a very microscopic view and that hurts my heart in a different way. Kindness is not about holding a tally board of wrong doings and showing who hurt you more or who hurt you in general. Over the years? Most of these that have been banned have been overly supportive to those in the admin role. Did they react when they were already angry and told to stop? Yep. Same way as if I'm in a RL argument with you and you tell me I need to calm down, I'm probably not going to calm down. Was it kind to decide for the entire community who stays and goes between TWO people who were personally involved? I didn't see a poll go up. I was part of the community and not on either side, I wasn't asked. So what happened was that people said mean things to you and Gany in one moment on a topic that was a trashfire of a topic and then you decided who hurt your feelings the least could come back. That's not kind and that's not responsible admin.
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I think both sides were wrong. I think how the entire topic and situation went down was wrong on both sides. Completely. I say this as one really trying to remain neutral to it. I shut up when I was told to shut up. I questioned meekly and respectfully. I waited for answers. They came and now I have opinions. This is one of mine. Are you going to ban those in this thread that have recently personally attacked people that were banned? That's against the rules right? Is that fair? Is that right? I think everyone should have stepped away. Which happened. We would leave games if the admin just started banning people for disagreeing. The game would die afterwards. We've all seen it happen. Maybe in this moment, they needed a ban to take a breath. Maybe. I don't think that was the right action, but the action was taken. Great. Now it's been a moment. They might not want to come back, but the fact that you can't show the empathy to them, that's not really right.
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Also, I would like to point out that I'm a reader in this situation that is not involved. That I'm not engaged in that activity and I haven't engaged in that activity and you know, I'm okay with all the bans being lifted. Admin should not have made the decision without a third party that was unbiased to it. A million years ago when i was admin on a game - if it involved me - I did not make the decision. That's how this should have rolled out.
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Of course, you are going to say you see it as good and warranted. You made the decision. You are bias to it. You are quick to say how the friends of the ban and their little party is, but I've been on this board for years. I've been pretty neutral for the most part, even when people were screaming at me or about me. Right now, it is coming off as the people that always come to your defense (not saying they shouldn't) are the same posting and upvoting. That's sort of a 'grouping' of it's own. It's now just that one on this forum. -- Now, that is my perception. That doesn't mean it's the God's honest truth, but you asked me for my opinion and why, so that's what I'm giving.
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Constructive? I think (again my thoughts) it would be the fair thing to lift all the bans. Also, as a member of the community, I want to see the reasoning. I do not.. DO NOT.. like the cloak and dagger decisions that are going on. Even on games there is a level of transparency given to decisions. The reasoning of XYZ. That way the community can see and understand. That is not happening here and frankly that is a little concerning as well. Things should not be put in DM's. Decisions should not just be made by the two people that felt attacked in it. It is a bad perception. Again. Perception is not intention. If people are going to be banned, I want all their behaviors looked at and explained as this is why it was happening; not just one situation that got out of hand. I don't think it exists for most of them if you really honestly look at it -- or why were they not banned before that in the many, many years that some of them have been in the community?
In closing, I think this just needs to be done better. It doesn't make me right because I have a thought, but as a member of this community - I have a right to my opinion. I have a right to speak up when I've tried very hard to see all the sides for years. It doesn't mean it matters to you, or that you will change your mind and reflect on it. Frankly, I don't think you will. I think you will post another saying how my opinion is not a valid opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I just know that I'm very very sad about how this has gone down in a community I cared about and with people I enjoy interacting with (Banned and Unbanned). I don't know if I know the solution and even if I did if it's one admin want to take.
Just life is hard - try to be kind.
