@zaroot said in Shadows of Paradise: help wanted!:
It's a catch-22, really. You won't get many experts because no one wants to staff for Mage, and no one will staff for Mage because no one has it in their games enough to learn it.
I wouldn't call Mage a nightmare by any means, but not many people have tried 2E Mage in the MU community.
I'll keep an eye out on this though.
Sounds like we need a 2e Mage / Mortal game... >.>
Why did the last one shut down?
Glad to see a 2e vs 1e game coming out.
Chronicles of Darkness is the 2e (Godmachine and later game lines/rules).
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Chronicles_of_Darkness
@sunnyj said in New Project?:
@thatonedude said in New Project?:
Forms, you aren't locked into anything in terms of using them outside of their /strict purpose/. You can kill something in hishu or any other form. You can track and do anything you want in any form.
Yes, you can kill something in Hishu. I never said otherwise? That is not the point at all.
As for Gifts, surprise... anyone can buy any gift to include auspice/moon gifts. So you are a sneaky rahu using Full Moon and New Moon.
No, you can't buy Moon Gifts associated with ot her Auspices. From the book: "A new werewolf gains a single Moon Gift associated with her auspice." and then "You may discover other Moon Gifts that are associated with your auspice at a cost of 5 Experiences." Even if they could, that wouldn't have addressed the fact I find these gifts boring.
As for being Over Powered I'd look at them vs 2e Disciplines and tell you again you are wrong.
Did I ever say they are less or more powerful than vampires?
Thank you for not taking it further.
I don't know where to start other than to say you are wrong on many levels much like what I've read from you on most of the posts in this thread.To quote a genius lyricist, You better check yo self before you wreck yo self. Didn't you say you do not have the patience/time to argue in the internet?
Wtf2e p85
@sunnyj said in New Project?:
@ixokai @WildBaboons I will try to explain myself, but I am going to preface this by saying that 1e isn't perfect by any means!
My main gripe with 2e comes from everything being too "neat", which was OPP's intention and I think it was a fucking horrible decision to do. Everything has a very narrow purpose, a shape you can only fit into one thing. The game doesn't let you figure things out by yourself. I will give examples:
Each form has a strict purpose, and I do not know why they did that shit. Instead of letting players figure out their own playstyles the book states that the Dalu is for 'clearing the room' and figuring out where the prey is, the Urshul is for rounding it up, and the Gauru is to finish it off. So they buff the Gauru out its mind, and the result is that in a 2e everyone who is not a Gauru is missing out. On 1e, you could figure things out by yourself. Do you think you have the right combination of Gifts and Fighting Styles to go Dalu? Are you one of those people who likes to shotfun their way through WoD? Or do you prefer the more reliable Urshul instead of the Gauru? Do you have Gifts that tinker with the Gauru and make it a more interesting gamble? All of that is gone on 2e. You start the fight in Gauru or Urhan, and then fight in Gauru. The book tells you that is how things happen, and the mechanics enforce that. I dislike it immensely. It homogenizes the gameplay AND makes characters samey in a scene.
Gifts in 2e not only are too powerful, but they also further shove you into roles in uninteresting ways. Now, I am not saying the Rahu shouldn't have an advantage in combat, but I am saying that they shouldn't be gods at it by sheer virtue of having picked an auspice at CG. On 1e you had plenty of options that could make the Ithaeur and Cahalith, if not competitive, fun to RP in combat. On 2e you might as well excuse yourself from the table while the Irraka and Rahu throw dice at the STs face (not a fan of powers that are basically +dice + successes + rote, etc. WoD doesn't need MORE dice). You could make an Ithaeur based around fighting with Crashing the Weave, Two-World Eyes and Wisdom of Patience + Fetishes, or a Cahalith based around frenzying and resistance in combat, a Ithaeur that debuffed people, etc. On 2e if you are not a Rahu/Irraka with Hit and Run you are basically out of combat.
Still on gifts, they are so unimaginative and lame, but SO powerful, they also make the Pure, the best antagonist of werewolf imo, complete chumps in a fight. Before a Rahu with Full Moon Gifts 5 wasn't guaranteed to win against a better trained, more aggressive Predator King ith more attributes and skills and spirit buddies. Now? Yeah. Forget it. Especially in a MU environment where people are guaranteed to have at least one Renown at 5.
So to sum up, gifts are less varied, less interesting and disgustingly powerful, because dice > flavor, I guess. One I have a special gripe with is the FIRST Ithaeur gift, which insta-exposes a spirit's ban. That used to be the source of Ithaeur scenes and quests. Now you just roll dice and that is supposed to make you feel useful? But it just ruins the whole fun of hunting a powerful spirit, imo.
Totems now can only offer extra dice, which is shit. WoD breaks with too many dice, stop giving me dice. Before you could at least buy Gifts, which was pretty cool, so a pack serving the Thunderbird could have Weather 5 Call Lightining and summon lightning from the sky. Now they get +1 Strength or whatever the fuck. Not a fan.
I could go on, but I flat out don't like how they tried to make everything fit into place and thus removed all the chaos and exploration from Werewolf. I know a LOT of people gripe on the unihar and werewolf sex, or how costly and useless Renown is, or how bad Primal Urge was, but despite its many flaws, I think Forsaken 1e tried for more, and ended up achieving more as a result. It didn't have this vibe of OPP trying to be the 'Apple of RPGs' and turning all their gamelines in 'beautiful, sleek designs'. They feel so pretentious.
Pictured: Me crying over Werewolf 2e.
I don't know where to start other than to say you are wrong on many levels much like what I've read from you on most of the posts in this thread.
Forms, you aren't locked into anything in terms of using them outside of their /strict purpose/. You can kill something in hishu or any other form. You can track and do anything you want in any form.
As for Gifts, surprise... anyone can buy any gift to include auspice/moon gifts. So you are a sneaky rahu using Full Moon and New Moon. As for being Over Powered I'd look at them vs 2e Disciplines and tell you again you are wrong.
Thank you for not taking it further.
@tempest said in New Project?:
@ThatOneDude , you listed about 50 books, 90% of which are NOT OUT, DARK ERAS, REPRINTS, or specifically DEMON.
I'm confused on the reprints portion of this. I added the /not out/ sections to show there is a TON of content still in the pipeline. Not to mention how much is already in the core-books. I don't have the will to argue over stupid shit on the internet anymore. The line /no content/ vs /content I don't like/ made me >.<. But that's on me.
@thatguythere said in Why did you pick your username?:
I have been around forever but never really involved with the main things going on just sorta always on the edge of things so I am "that guy that is sort of there." but that is long as hell so it is "thatguythere" I use it here and a wrestling board and a Big Brother board.
Same, just always been That One Dude.
@pacha said in Shadows of Paradise: help wanted!:
Hi!
Yeah, it really did! We started out as a group of friends wanting to get something off the ground, but only one of us really knew any code at all. That person, unfortunately, had a lot of RL drop on her all at once and will be out of commission for the foreseeable future I think.
We are still talking about other ways it could be done that would require less technical know-how, like making it forum based for example. I would still love to hear from anyone that could help us out (It is TinyMux) and I will definitely keep you posted on what the eventual outcome of it all is.
Cheers
Pacha
You might want to see about talking with @Thenomain ... I aint one to talk but I saw he may have put some thought into some of the game lines you referenced:
I'm curious on this game if it lost traction based on a coder still? There is @Thenomain 's code out there with stuff from @skew and @Cobaltasaurus . I know of another coder that works on WoD stuff as well. Is the big issue trying to do custom stuff? Is it TinyMux?
Did anyone keep up with the docker project for mush/mu*? That seems like the smartest path forward since you have a docker "container" that is set to go. That should be something like: stand up droplet (vm) -> Get docker set up -> launch docker mu* container -> ruin gamer's lives... I mean stand up game.
To play devil's advocate, she may not realize she's doing it.
I use 'we' when someone I work with has done something wrong but I don't want it to sound like an accusation singling them out instead of a team trying to fix a problem.
"We should avoid dividing by zero" sounds softer than it could have been.
I don't get this and don't do it because it doesn't work. More often than not I've seen where the one responsible feels worse because then WE clown the fuck out of them using WE since the whole team knows who it was.
@shincashay said in Questions of Etiquette:
About 15-30 then try the next day to reach them. Still no response? I know where the relationship stands.
