@Jennkryst said in nWoD2.0 Support Code?:
@Thenomain Should have disabled pages and @mail, yo.
There are some people who enjoy playing games with no OOC communication channels, but I think if it was a popular choice then at least some MMO would have done it well by now.
Hell, if you want to see a heated debate, start a thread talking about making every person on the game Unfindable.
@insomnia said in Good or New Movies Review:
There's a lot of things they had to change, mostly for the licensing I would guess.
And because the target audience would simply not understand why the beginning riff to Dead Man's Party is so iconic to us 80s pop culture nerds.
Hell, I had to search harder to find a version with the trumpet sting intro that is described as pretty much the first thing.
If they did this in the movie, good on them, but I just cringed my way into not wanting to read/listen to the book by how it was described HOW COOL IT WAS (omg)!
Blech.
I bet @Sparks would meet me there
And together be on a tear
So games all over do beware.
@Sunny said in nWoD2.0 Support Code?:
The conversations I had tended to look a little like this:
Me: We need something that does X. Here's the design document.
Lead Coder: Oh, that's really cool. I'd love to do that. You know, since we're doing it anyway, we could make it do Y and Z too and people would really like--
Me: Er, maybe that's a little-
Lead Coder: OR THIS! WE COULD ALSO DO THIS! THERE ARE TWELVE THINGS WE FORGOT THAT IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THE CODE TO DO!
From my end it was:
Staffer: Hey, can we have this?
Me: Okay.
Staffer: Can you also make it do this?
Me: Okay.
Staffer: You know, since we're doing it anyway, we could make it do Y and Z too and people would really like--
Me: Er, okay, that will take longer to--
Staffer: OR THIS! WE COULD ALSO DO THIS! THERE ARE TWELVE THINGS WE FORGOT THAT IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THE CODE TO DO!
From my experience, I could also replace "Staffer" with "Player". Man, the things players ask for!
The thing about observed evidence is that we can only explain what we've observed, and that we should all be aware and understanding when someone else's perceptions are different, take that information into account as it comes up.
@sincerely
Being able to create good ANSI/ASCII art is a talent too few have. Be proud of that, and it's awesome that you're sharing. More! Bravo! Etc.!
@Arkandel said in nWoD2.0 Support Code?:
@Thenomain said in nWoD2.0 Support Code?:
Thinking too hard about it can be what kills it.
Speaking of, I think what kills innovation a lot of the time is people micro-analyzing it preemptively. "It won't work because $reasons". "I saw it tried once in 2003 and it didn't work then so it won't work now". Etc.
I will own this. I've been trying to say, "But try it anyway" to soften my pessimistic tone. A lot of people use 'pp' ("phone-page") and '+txt', regardless what I think about it. I mean, a lot of people, enough to overwhelm whatever I think.
And it's a coder's prerogative to name things silly or stupid things to fit their mood. Until now, nobody has done anything more but roll their eyes and tell me I'm wrong and code it anyway. And I sighed and said "fffiiiinnnnnnneeeee," because I'm harboring a cynical teenager in my psyche.
What @faraday and I have warned is extremely real. What we experienced was directed by users, not (just) coders. Coders don't usually have enough time to fight about this stuff.
Also, fuck naysayers. If they don't like it they don't need to play/use it. It's better to try 50 things and see 1 work out than never trying anything because oh-my-god it might fail.
Except that:
If I say, as coder, that I do not want to take the time to allow users to color their own +txt, then you're either going to have to live with that answer or find someone who has the time. Would this be cool? It turned out that it was extremely well-recieved! Am I a jackass for saying 'no'? I don't think so.
This might not be the kind of person you're talking about, Ark, but I do think that pointing out possible hurdles and issues with a plan is not being a "nay-sayer".
@misadventure said in RL Anger:
@jibberthehut Well at least it wasn't human planning/malice/laziness.
Humanity vs nature instead of humanity vs humanity.
RL PvE
But is there anyone better at the Modern Eye-Roll than Tina Fey?
I think not.
@Arkandel said in nWoD2.0 Support Code?:
I'm talking about the exact opposite, in fact. The coder who says "hey, I wanna make it so users can color their own +txt" and people tell them it's not worth doing.
Maybe it's not worth doing. Maybe the game has incomplete systems that need stabilized. Maybe the staff is overworked and creating an in-depth phone system interjected with layers of mutter code (can you overhear the conversation better at a table than not at a table?) is going to do nothing to reduce their accelerated burnout. I wouldn't blame a staffer in that situation saying, "This is not worth doing." I would blame anyone for taking this to mean, "This is never worth doing."
I think the best we can do is express how we feel about the project, give some explanation and some justification, and do what we can to understand the decisions made.
I metapose and let people pick up on it if they want. My pose style is so short that I want every word to count, but even after all this time I don't consider myself a creative writer and I and those around me need all the help they can get.
But I find there are two types of metaposing, and this includes the subset of power-posing:
Not a black and white. If I pose @coin's character rolling his eyes behind mine? Probably fine. If I pose @coin's character chewing with his mouth open to turn people off? Probably not fine unless that's his character. Better not be something he would ever do.
@Tempest said in Sin City Chronicles:
They basically have 'temporary' powersets (you actually lose your Transmutations and Alembics upon changing Refinement, unless you pay the 'Special' XP to keep them) which results in busywork +jobs for staff
All staff will have to do, when I'm done, is change the Refinement.
Staff will have to tweak things a bit when someone 'unlocks' an Alembic, but automating that would be stupidly easy. (Move the stat from the sub-sheet to the main sheet.)
Many times I'm disappointed that I didn't think of making, e.g., xp spends able to trigger other code. Only so many ponies in the day, you know.
the whole 'milestone' thing will either not really get used on MU or get abused by somebody with a friend willing to run them scenes specifically tailored to completing all of them, prometheans /have/ to change their refinements regularly, there's the 'wasteland' mechanic, etc etc...
Now you're just looking for reasons to fail. I'm with you on this one, but look at the brainpower of everyone involved. It's not slight.
I can think of one situation I can guarantee it won't be used: If we don't even try.
@thatguythere said in Random links:
@thenomain said in Random links:
We get pockets.
You get cookies.
I'll be honest I think pockets are better but cookies really push that issue.
But cookies are a non-issue you can put cookies in pockets they just get a little sqiushed which is alright. Unless you are eating non-soft cookies than you are just a Philistine.
Squished soft cookies are not alright. The average man pants pocket is not suitable as a cookie repository.
Cargo pants are where it’s at.
On Haunted Memories we mainly stayed out of each other's way. It was, again, a cultural thing, not an intended thing.
@Lithium said in Sin City Chronicles:
@Thenomain This is a major reason why the game I am working on right now is single sphere with mortal and mortal+.
Which "this"? Making things easy for staff? I mean, good and all, but if that single sphere is Promethean you'd still have to consider these things. I don't want to say that if I had finished the Covers System for EldritchMUX that it would've been more popular, but it still would have needed to be done.
It's just getting done years later.
Because I'm a sucker, and I'm still coding for you people in this broken code system that I know like the back of my hand.
I’m not accepting a quote from an actor who’s never gotten a hand job.
This is never going to stop being true:
I personally think that removed from the social interaction and social ostracism of a group of people you know, or want to know, that there is a far lesser reason to take care of what you say or do. Our culture as a whole is just now understanding the deeper consequences of the online community, even though we started to get the hang of it the year the first kids who grew up not knowing a world without Facebook went to college or started applying for jobs outside of it. They discovered how what they do matters.
We also live in an age where personal responsibility has been hand-waved by people in authority, and I don't mean that to start a political rant about cops or the president, but a lot of you grew up with parents who screamed at teachers and schools for not properly raising their own kids. Hell, I think the (erroneous, IMO) viewpoint of hipsters being lazy and having no sense of the future was taught to them, an act of supreme irony from the 'Me Generation'.
It is hard, in a hobby of games, to find people who believe that holding someone else accountable goes anywhere past banning them from their game. This has always been a valid response; we are nobody's parents but our own children. It would be nice if we held each other more accountable in a 'punish in a way to teach' manner, but I can't fault anyone who doesn't want to.
@Lithium said in Sin City Chronicles:
@Thenomain I never said it can't work.
You said it was tricky. I've often seen it work just fine. You want to do things another way because your beliefs, sure, but I've not seen it such a challenge that multi-sphere WoD games don't commonly work. (I didn't mention a few to keep things short.)
EDIT: There was a whole bunch of stuff there that was completely unrelated to what I said actually, and of course opinions vary but...
Where's all this holier than thou aggression coming from?
I'm running the wrong events? Please.
I ran bad events all the time. It's why I stopped. Why do you think this is anything more than an honest, if somewhat blunt, observation? If your goal is 'A', and your outcome is '!A', then something went wrong between conception and application. As it's not the game system, it's the application.
(edit, because I was edited under while replying):
Also: Yeah cuz the Seers of the Throne interfere with /everything/ /every/ mage does on a spur of the moment thing by joining into another plot? Then it becomes all about the mage, in every other splat event that a mage tries to partake in.
You know the bit above where I said that "someone is going to respond to this even though it's not the point"? I should have mentioned it on the second point too, apparently. "One example" shouldn't mean "all the time", but eh, there you go.
@haven said in Dead Celebrities 2018:
Seriously, what is wrong with everyone around here? I am concerned.
The last three years have really worn us down.