Posts made by Wizz

@crusader said:

In all seriousness, I honestly don't know how anyone can take you (Supremes) seriously, after writing that. You don't care for my opinion, fine. But the ambition of any game should be to lure people in before making them close a browser tab at its sheer stupidity in the first five minutes.

"This thread has been around for a month and has accrued four pages of discussion. I wonder if someone has addressed my concerns? Guess the only way to find out is to skip everything and barge in claws out like a jackass!"

Never change, internet.

...I kinda like the templates. I've always felt the nWoD was really "small" in comparison with the oWoD and too neatly tied together. I can't speak for the mechanics, having just glanced over them, but anything that makes the world a stranger place is A+ in my book.

There's a considerable difference between "I don't like this, so I'm not going to bother to understand it" and "This is complicated and vague." You can personally dislike new things because they're new to your heart's content, but call a spade a spade.

Still, we're not talking about 80's pen-and-paper tabletop where GMs have to physically flip through reference books and all that nonsense busywork they're trying to make it sound like. You could literally set the condition itself and its resolution as notes on a character bit that a ST or another player could check on the fly. Seriously, it is just not that hard for the end user.

@Miss-Demeanor said:

Which Conditions apply which modifiers to which rolls? Oh right, go to the appendix. Then keep that page open for EVERY time a Condition comes into play. Want to remove your Condition? Act on the Condition or address the source of it. Nice and vague, WW, keep up the good work. Oh, but there's examples of how to resolve them. No, wait, those are just suggestions, you can solve them in other ways that aren't explained. And look! There's improvised Conditions, too! Lets run down this list...

1. Get a Condition (or make one up on the spot).
2. Track its effects through the appendix (or have it all written down somewhere because yours was 'improvised').
3. Play out effects of Condition as appropriate (don't forget to explain the improvised Condition when nobody is able to figure out which one you have!).
4. Decide to rid yourself of Condition.
5. Use one of the example resolutions in the book (or make up your own!) and hope that whoever decides these things is in a good mood/likes you/etc.

...That is genuinely not that complicated.

EDIT: I'm not trying to be flippant, I just honestly think you're getting worked up over nothing. It's a simple plus or minus to a roll, which a lot of people were doing anyway in the old system, they've just made up an official system to categorize and track it.

I'm working on a bit as well, concept is a local but that is up for change. Young Scathach punk with a pocket full of dreams. Page me as Glenn if y'all are looking for more buddies.

There goes my entire concept, screw this game. Sounds like a staff playground to me.

Peeve for the month/year: Utah.

Just.....Utah.

@icanbeyourmuse said:

I'm waiting on @Wizz @ThatOneDude and @Luna to be ready to CG.

I am so sorry but you guys might have to go on without me, I've been trying to find some time but it's proving really difficult.

@Ganymede said:

When she says the application process seems deceptive, and is more involved than you attest to, that is a somewhat influential opinion. Whether it is right or wrong is mostly irrelevant.

Ganymede, you are a smart and sharp lady, but that is simply false, here or on WORA. I haven't been around much longer than @The_Supremes and I don't feel like I've seen anyone take anything anyone says as a given or drop an opinion and walk away unchallenged. We're a grumpy and fractious lot.

There's maybe a lot of pressure to conform to popular thought sometimes, with this thread and this game in particular for whatever reason, but essentially telling this person to sit quietly and play nice is unfair and untrue to the wild, bitchy spirit of this place.

For the record, this has been a pretty civil back and forth and trying to squash it like that is really the only ugly move I've seen so far.

You could have left it at this:

My suggestion: loosen up on the application process. A lot. Players these days are far more tolerant of policing once they have their PCs, rather than weeding out people prior to the approval. This is mostly laziness on the part of players, I suppose, but the trick from your perspective is to get the customers in the door.

And left a much better taste in my mouth, is basically all I'm saying.

Not you necessarily. It just seems like the atmosphere in the original thread was "my, I find this kind of silly" and then suddenly everyone came in swinging like they'd been personally assaulted. I get people tend to get sensitive about their pastimes, but it's not like the game creator was implying anyone who played oWoD was racist or misogynist. (Presumably.)

@Coin said:

Maybe everyone should chill a little on this thread instead of posting on it with claws out.

Fo' real, son.
Remember when these were pretendy fun time games, before everything apparently got real over...a difference of opinion when it comes to political correctness? I guess? What the actual fuck is everyone so angry about?

@The-Tree-of-Woe said:

Okay. Werewolves have touchstones, just like Vampires do -- and that's FANTASTIC.

It's hard to sneer about the human sheep when you have to call mom every day -- she worries...

This is exactly what I was talking about. Werewolves aren't just "GRR ARGH I AM THE SON OF FENRIR" anymore, and that is awesome.

@silentsophia
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

Keeping it constructive might help, guys. I know this isn't that board but it isn't the Hog Pit either.

THIS IS WHAT WE WERE WAITING FOR @Arkandel

I just came.

Not necessarily. In the interest of making Claimed PCs that aren't constantly being smooshed, the Predators splat-book suggests the possibility that Werewolf packs work with benign but powerful Claimed because it'd be more trouble to murder them.

^

Seriously. People still play it this way on MU*s, maybe, because we've gone over how everyone is a fucking dinosaur who hates change like a bajillion times at this point already. But even the default assumption for covenants is basically "uneasy truce." They can be completely antagonistic towards one another on the same basic shoot on sight level that the Camarilla and Sabbat could be, and absolutely are in some of the example cities.

@icanbeyourmuse said:

@ThatOneDude @Wizz @Huzuruth should come be NPC with me on @Cobaltasaurus game. I'm doing the loyalist angle.

I'd totally jump in and I actually was rolling up a PC at Wildcard not too long ago, but my new work schedule is kicking my ass. I'll need another week or so to adjust. :S

BUT SOON I'LL LOYAL Y'ALL TO DEATH