Posts made by Wretched

@Sunny Fair, and i agree re: perspectives.

Unrelated to any arguments, and only because we're all talking about teh sex so much today...

/roll for damaging genitals!

@Kanye-Qwest I don't think that at all, nor was it what i said. But there is a difference between 'This staffer likes to run scenes for the Cavanaugh Family Group because they click well.' and 'This Staffer like to TS with Henry Hung Hunkenstien, for the plot.'

@Sunny said in Difference between an NPC and a Staff PC?:

I'm not attempting to make the point that sexually charged RP doesn't or can't lead to bias. It has, it can, it will. My point is that it's misbehavior when it happens, and if it's going to happen, the misbehavior is going to happen in some other way if this isn't possible, because the problem you have is an unethical staffer, NOT that said unethical staffer was typing sex.

Except that as humans sex is again, weird and different for every person. Drama can arrive from crossed wires and not be 'misbehavior'. Not every TS drama is about someone breaking rules and being bad.

As our conversations over today have shown that this is already a heated issue.

When we exist in a community that ALREADY HAS huge issues about Staff vs PC trust, and you add TS (another hot button issue over the years) into the mix between PC's and NPC's it complicates it even more. And more often than not this shit doesn't always come down to a clear 'right and wrong' when it does blow up.

So when Vladmilda the Vampiress decides to seduce the Prince, and then the prince and she spend hours and hours TSING (as opposed tro rolling seduction as per the rules of the game) there are a number of complications that can happen.

@Sparks
Optics are not just about people being shitty or shaming others. Human being are prone to favoring those that they are in intimate close relationships with. A lot of this is simulated in the MUing world, I mean just look at waves arms in the direction of this forum

A Staffer is someone who is behind the curtain, running the game and moving plot and making things just happen. They are again, in a position of responsibility and power. They should not be using (or expected to use) said influence and power to provide porn scenes for people.

I will say again, there is 0 reason a Staffer needs to use an NPC to TS to advance the story of a game.

This does not mean that I am a prude, or have unhealthy views on sex, or think people that TS are bad. I often TS when I play games, I place TSers under no Stigma, but there needs to be some separation and professionalism between staff and players.

The Cognitive dissonance on display is frankly absurd here. We all know people that met significant others and spouses through MUing, We know that the relationships we build on these games can gain us friendships that last years. So the idea that this stuff can also cause distress and misery comes with that.

How many of us have issues with regular forms of rejection? Or have trouble finding the Rp they want, or getting involved in plots. Add to that that Staff are just TSing certain people with Prominent NPC's and then going 'No it's fine! We are ethical about it! That solves that! it's only you terrible jealous people that have a problem.' is more than a little boggling to me.

How'd you get that position? Oh I just fucked the prince! It's valid! They are 'ethical'!

Saying that it isn't Ethical for Staffers who Run the Game to use NPC's for TS (again not sex, TS) is not coming down on sexuality, it's not kink shaming anyone, it's saying that it is BAD STAFF POLICY.

@Ghost Theres all sorts of moaning coming from the basement!

DONT COME IN HERE!

@Ghost Man I would love to do RL GHOSTFACERS bullshit. But not join a cult.

@Roz said in Difference between an NPC and a Staff PC?:

The problem with equating TSing with someone as having an OOC sexual relationship with them is that it's pretty much the foundation for a lot of OOC abuse and manipulation wherein actual problems occur from people assuming their IC relationship with someone extends to OOC and then you've got people behaving with aggressive entitlement, jealousy, etc. in a super inappropriate way. Or literally using the presumed relationship as a tool to be an actual predator. Like, the idea that TS = an OOC relationship of some sort is the cause of huge problems. Thus, when you use the justifications some players use to abuse or misbehave and spread it as an inherent fact of any IC sexytimes -- well. I am honestly surprised at the people who don't understand why several people are super skeeved out right now. Because it seems like such a dangerous statement to make that literally supports the viewpoints of people who want to use TS as a means to control and manipulate others.

I agree with you. This is what I am trying to point out because this is the reality in which the MUing community exists.

@Kanye-Qwest I agree with you too, it has creeped me the fuck out. But that is the reality of the MUing world, it isnt perfect, and people get REALLY WEIRD about IC relationships and TS.

So yes, when it is argued that 'people that only see it as writing and are 100% above the board and ethical have a really cool dynamic and they happed to fuck and it was the best thing and ST did for them and it was great.'

That sounds fucking awesome.

But that's not the reality of the MUing community.

@Thenomain For every person that claims 'I just type porn words back and forth for hours and i stirs nothing on my loins.' there are another 15 of them that are typing one handed and will tell you about it. How do I know this? Because I've been MUing for 20 fucking years. Because I have direct experience as a player and a staffer. Because i have read about it on MSB and WORA. Because there is no reason that you as a staffer need to engage in TS to further the plot of the fucking game.

@Sunny So you don't think that having a sexual relationship with a person in power over the community that you are invested in is a detriment to the rest of the community? That it doesn't undermine trust as an impartial staffer?

Edit: I mean 'the GM's girlfriend' is a fucking thing for a reason.

@Pandora BULLSHIT.

And the rest of you are eating this shit up.

Did you really just try and turn 'Staffers using NPC's to TS' into a rant about 'sexual freedom and expression?'

No, sorry, just no. NPC's are tools for staff to run plot. NPC's are often passed around between staffers, or have to be picked up after staffers quit. There is enough drama after multiple different staffers play an NPC and some player complains they aren't being as nice to them asd they used to be.

Humans and Sex is fucking complicated and it is and always will be. I am not a puritan in any light, I am for all kinds of sexual freedom. i believe in 100% legalization prostitution. I am one of the kinkiest people some of you mgiht ever know, and I have hundreds of hours spent TSing.

But sex and power dynamics is an issue, and just because some of you (myself included) have had positive outcomes from TSing staff NPC's, doesn't mean that that should be the norm. As others have mentioned, Optics are super important for a healthy game.

If you wanna TS someone, fet off the official NPC's and get on a PC bit and fucking go forth with your semen drenched fuinsplosions, but dont try and look me straight in the face and say that people in positions of power (Aka Staffers and NPC's) should just go around using set pieces to boink PC's because it 'furthers the story'.

And do be clear, i'm not talking ab out 'seducing the NPC with dice rolls and FTB's to murdlepate them.

@Ganymede I see a new Gany PB coming in the future.

I'm sorry I'm not buying this.

If yer saying that a staffer playing the NPC Prince and then TSing certain people and acting out IC romance relationships is fine, because they are 'ethical' about it, imma call bullshit because that isn't ethical.

Staffers and their NPC's are by default in a position of power. That's why games have CoI rules. Thats why we dont do jobs for people in our Motleys or people we have IC relationships with. That's why Professors get fired for fucking their students. Sure it was consensual and she was of age so that's all that matters! What?

What do you mean I favor Suzie over you? No, that's just your jealousy! She just poses deep throating me on the reg because it's important for the plot!

But sure, staffers can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they are 'ethical'. Could you send me a link to this pool of perfect staffers that want to deal with all the other bullshit of staffing and also TS PC's as NPC's and be totally 'ethical' ab out the whole thing! CoI rules are stupid!

Look, fucking your boss is fine if he's ethical!

@Roz said in Game of Thrones:

Maisie Williams

I want Maisie Williams as a hardcore action star kicking the ass of (or kicking ass along side) people like Jon Bernthal. Not 100% sure why but i could def see her as a badass murdery action star. Actually I do know why, what she did to the Frey's. Fuck pretty princesses, she is badass.

Some of ya'll have never had to answer jobs about players wanting to know their relationship status with NPC's they were TSing after a staffer quits and it shows.

@surreality said in Difference between an NPC and a Staff PC?:

Hey now, don't discount the magic vajayjay!

What is this, a Laurel K. Hamilton book?!

@Ghost Yeah, i went a couple times before i /really/ noticed, but by that time i had already tried to bring another friend, and yeah. Not my smartest moment, but I was poor and my best friends were really hyping it to me... but no they just sucked up money and have big group chants. I still get embarrassed about it, like omg.

@Ghost Omg I am ded laughing. This is worse than when my friend came to me with a job opportunity and got me and another friend to show up at what turned out to be 'definitely not a pyramid scheme why do people keep saying that?!'

@bear_necessities said in Difference between an NPC and a Staff PC?:

What drives me crazy is when a staff has an NPC but that they use to be the star of a plot. No. Stop that. That is for PCs. If you want to be the star of your show, make a PC.

Addendum: ALSO PLEASE STOP TSING PEOPLE WITH YOUR NPC'S AUGH

@Thenomain I dunno if 'plot' is the right word, but to me, NPC's are the actors that fill the world, the people that maintain the status quo, the villains, the leaders of orders and other things that are required to give the setting life.,

A Staff PC is just a fucking PC because staff are people too and deserve to play and have their own damned fun non stressed non staff time.
(sometimes with caveats that they don't engage in sphere plots or have spotlights/roles in things that they preside over as staff)