@Three-Eyed-Crow said in RL Anger:
Oh, theirs. Sorry, thought that would be obvious, but if I were you I'd also be freaked.
Sorry, I'm so used to being the self-absorbed snowflake in my family, I just assume anything negative is directed at me. XD I definitely agree with you! My dad used to be one of those responsible gun owners. My parents used to be democrats, even. They're both college-educated, they're reasonably well off in a way I'll probably never experience myself. Now they've turned into stereotypical racist, rural rednecks. Despite my dad being an immigrant himself. The irony seriously hurts. I don't understand them at all anymore.
@surreality said in RL Anger:
@PuppyBreath The reason you're glad you don't have a gun in the house is the same as mine, and I feel you on that one.
My folks do the same thing. They are similarly head-fucked into thinking they have a corner on discernment re: who is and isn't 'deserving', and their take on health care is 'why the fuck should we care about health care being accessible to anybody else, fuck this socialist bullshit, we have medicare now and don't have to care'.
There really are days I wish the irony fairy was an actual thing that'd show up and sparkle the shit out of somebody's face for a few seconds when something like that escapes their mouths.
My parents were both military. They don't have to worry about healthcare, so they definitely don't give any thought to how other people get theirs. They hated ACA even more because one of my sisters was just the right age that she didn't get a break on premiums. But, hey, I still convinced that sister to care about politics and now it's us on this side and everyone else on the other, so at least I'm not completely alone.
If you ever need someone to lean on about the Dark, always feel free to ping me. That goes for anyone. I kind of suck at being comforting or expressing emotions, but I will always listen to someone who needs someone to listen to them.
@PuppyBreath Was going to offer just the same, actually. We may not know each other well, but frankly, there are those weird hours sometimes in the middle of the night when shit gets dark in a totally different sort of way than the sun going down. (In all seriousness... if anybody sees me around and posting and whatnot and is in that position, please don't hesitate to PM, poke me on skype, whatever works.)
My folks were the same on the ACA stuff, and were former military, too. I ended up almost dying a handful of days after finally getting insurance (through husband's work) for the first time in over a decade, and... welp. That hospital bill, had we not been able to get it, was more than my folks' house is worth. What we still owe is non-fun, but $6k-ish vs. a quarter-frickin'-million? Yeah, you'd think they'd be happier about this than they are. 
Nope, they just bitch about how we must feel so slighted by the gov't that we owe $6k. Uhm... (All the sigh. All the sigh in the world.)
Do none of these vets actually pay attention to how underfunded the VA is??? Why the fuck would you do military service if not to benefit the country at large?
I have a waggish sense of humor.
@Misadventure There are a number of insurance companies that handle veterans exclusively, so it's not just the VA. I forget which company my folks had prior to medicare, or if they still have their supplemental coverage through it or not, but it was a something with a special program for veterans or special rates.
Oh fucking well.
@PuppyBreath said in RL Anger:
I really hate my family sometimes. And I hate myself for not being able to be a bitch to them.
The fact that your family has normalised cruelty (because conservatism has) to the point that you hate yourself for not being cruel is saddening.
Point your hate at those who deserve it, not yourself.
Are you actually suggesting they shoot their family instead of themself?
Cause when I read...
"I rolled my eyes, but inside I'm the weak ass fuck who doesn't have the heart to tell them that, you know, if I'd had a gun available at certain times in my life, I probably would have shot myself in the fucking head with it."
All kinds of red flags come up.
Maybe learn not to hate? Get help?
@PuppyBreath -- Are we maybe related? Because your family sounds an awful lot like my family, and my family pretty categorically sucks right now. It's been a long, slow slide into sucking, but they do in that special sort of way that makes them morally indignant about 'freeloaders' while also simultaneously complaining about how broke they are because my mother lost her job a few years back due to her own laziness/stupidity. But they deserve help, being hard-working Americans. (Read: white.)
If you ever need a sympathetic ear, please feel free to hit me up. I know how incredibly frustrating a situation like this and what it's like to be angry at yourself for not speaking up and 'being a bitch' -- both from years of being conditioned not to stand up to horrible people and because you were too busy staring slack-jawed, wondering how the fuck these people spawned you.
@surreality CHAMPVA
Yeah, most ex-military people don't get healthcare through the VA.
Pretty sure everyone who does, though, is very much aware how underfunded it is.
@TNP I think theirs was through USAA. (I remembered how to google finally, because coffee.) But yeah, there's a bunch of these.
@PuppyBreath said in RL Anger:
I really hate my family sometimes. And I hate myself for not being able to be a bitch to them.
The fact that your family has normalised cruelty (because conservatism has) to the point that you hate yourself for not being cruel is saddening.
Point your hate at those who deserve it, not yourself.
Are you actually suggesting they shoot their family instead of themself?
Cause when I read...
"I rolled my eyes, but inside I'm the weak ass fuck who doesn't have the heart to tell them that, you know, if I'd had a gun available at certain times in my life, I probably would have shot myself in the fucking head with it."All kinds of red flags come up.
Maybe learn not to hate? Get help?
I'm saying hate fox news and the republican propaganda machine instead of focusing that on themselves.
Or maybe it's just as simple as being uncomfortable knowing there are guns in the house when you're not sure that in a moment of crisis, you wouldn't turn it on yourself, and you would be relieved if the gun was not so readily available to you because you have the self-awareness to recognize that you experience these moments of crisis in your life and want to stay away from things that could make it very easy to make impulsive and irreversible decisions in ways many other things do not allow for with such relative ease. (And you probably don't want those other things around much, either, for the same reason.)
Goddamn, people. That is in no fucking way political.
Maybe have the class and human decency to not take it there, please.
Oh fucking well.
@surreality said in RL Anger:
Or maybe it's just as simple as being uncomfortable knowing there are guns in the house when you're not sure that in a moment of crisis, you wouldn't turn it on yourself, and you would be relieved if the gun was not so readily available to you because you have the self-awareness to recognize that you experience these moments of crisis in your life and want to stay away from things that could make it very easy to make impulsive and irreversible decisions in ways many other things do not allow for with such relative ease. (And you probably don't want those other things around much, either, for the same reason.)
Goddamn, people. That is in no fucking way political.
Maybe have the class and human decency to not take it there, please.
^^^^^^
There have been studies about how easy access to guns increase the risk of suicide. This is a real thing.
To bad studies don't mean shit to some people. Studies just mean that it's something you can point at and go: No.
Look at climate change for another example.
We're like the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, except in fast forward... without even Lead Poisoning to blame.
Hello! Long time listener, first time caller...
I blame the Scopes Monkey Trials. Someone has been trying to disprove science in attempt to salvage their belief system since.
What, no love for Galileo Galilei or Copernicus?
I have a waggish sense of humor.
@Misadventure said in RL Anger:
What, no love for Galileo Galilei or Copernicus?
Yeah, but science wasn’t really a world-encompassing thing at that point. Science was the underdog, and people still believe that science and religion can’t coexist, but now that science has more sway, some religious people want it to fall so that their beliefs can get back to greatness.
The world doesn’t work like that, but good luck telling them that. Beuller. Beuller. Beuller.
Cause when I read...
"I rolled my eyes, but inside I'm the weak ass fuck who doesn't have the heart to tell them that, you know, if I'd had a gun available at certain times in my life, I probably would have shot myself in the fucking head with it."All kinds of red flags come up.
Maybe learn not to hate? Get help?I'm saying hate fox news and the republican propaganda machine instead of focusing that on themselves.
Oh yeah that's probably it. They need to focus and nurse that hate. Hate trumps love.
Then when they feel depressed, they can steal their sisters gun, turn on Hannity and shoot the TV.
But don't turn on FBN and shoot Maria Bartiromo because I like her. /s
Or maybe they should turn off msnbc news and the democrat propaganda machine that stokes that hate.
Maybe learn not to hate? Get help?
Shooting people that are causing you severe distress isn't irrational.
Sure, but I prefer to act irrationally. I've always liked how Tolstoy put it:
'Reason discovered the struggle for existence, and the law that requires us to oppress all who hinder the satisfaction of our desires. That is the deduction of reason. But loving one's neighbor reason could never discover, because it's irrational.'
@surreality said in RL Anger:
Or maybe it's just as simple as being uncomfortable knowing there are guns in the house when you're not sure that in a moment of crisis, you wouldn't turn it on yourself, and you would be relieved if the gun was not so readily available to you because you have the self-awareness to recognize that you experience these moments of crisis in your life and want to stay away from things that could make it very easy to make impulsive and irreversible decisions in ways many other things do not allow for with such relative ease. (And you probably don't want those other things around much, either, for the same reason.)
Goddamn, people. That is in no fucking way political.
I think you're correct about that.
You can hate something without going all postal on it, you know.
At the very least, though, they need to stop internalising it, which you know is exactly what I meant, but you keep fighting the good fight against something I never said. I assume it brings some meaning to you.
To bad studies don't mean shit to some people. Studies just mean that it's something you can point at and go: No.
Look at climate change for another example.
We're like the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, except in fast forward... without even Lead Poisoning to blame.
