[Ethnicity Thread] Who Do You Think You Are?
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Responding with rubbish does little to erase your flub. You fucked up.
Does it bother you that much to admit failure to a black person? Interesting.
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F for effort. F for effect. Repeating the same thing endlessly does not improve reactions. Try varying your approach a little.
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@Derp said:
I am -so tired- of this lame-ass argument How many users on this forum were born slave owners? None. Our parents weren't. Our grandparents weren't. Hell, our great-grandparents weren't. Throwing up shit that ended 150 years ago as if you've personally suffered under yoke of some plantation owner? Weak. Your parents didn't. Their parents didn't. And on and on back, just like above.
So on my father's side of the family in East Texas, there are slave owners and I am fairly certain that they still have the plantation property. Then there's the married in side of my mother's family who were in the klan, but somehow decided to make exceptions for Mexicans.
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@Derp said:
Quote does not appear to be working for me, so I'll just add this down here first:
...until you recall that the USA formerly enslaved black people, and had the nice little KKK organization running rampant....
Let me first say that I totally respect the need for civil rights and civil liberties, and am more than willing to fight for them on behalf of anyone, because it's just fucking dumb to discriminate.
That said...
I am -so tired- of this lame-ass argument How many users on this forum were born slave owners? None. Our parents weren't. Our grandparents weren't. Hell, our great-grandparents weren't. Throwing up shit that ended 150 years ago as if you've personally suffered under yoke of some plantation owner? Weak. Your parents didn't. Their parents didn't. And on and on back, just like above.
All of that shit was a -century and a half ago-. You were not affected by this act in the slightest. And while I realize that african americans are generally more prone to live in underprivileged neighborhoods, that's a far fucking cry from having whip scars on your back. The closest that you've -ever- been to a slave was that time you watched Roots. So let's not pretend like this has affected you on a deep and personal level. That argument is tired, and you wonder why white people just kind of roll their eyes when people make it.
If you want to see social change? Stop foaming at the mouth and engage in meaningful dialogue. The world is not out to get you. The only person keeping you a victim is -you-.
This is the kind of rhetoric that prevents people from not foaming at the mouth and egaging in meaningful dialogue.
Yes, it still affects everyone. I don't care if you want to accept it or not; I don't care if you agree; the fact that the disenfranchised and underprivileged correlate so perfectly with the previously enslaved and downtrodden evidences this. Not only that, but holy hell are you completely avoiding the systematic social abuse minorities are subjected to every day in the U.S. and how it correlates to their integration as a part of the social structure of the country.
Seriously, stop acting like the past doesn't matter just because it's the past. If minorities are going to be asked to stop harkening back to days when it was even worse, then the privileged class is going to have to stop basing their privilege on those days, too.
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For what it's worth, I believe Cirno is being genuine in this instance. I've brushed up against racism against African-Americans from Chinese guys that would make garden variety bigots go "Now hold on a minute!"
Then again, they get theirs. I still fondly remember the anecdote a friend told me about all the Chinese students eating together, except one girl who was alone. When he asked her if something was wrong, she looked up and said "Oh, no. I'm Mongolian."
"They fear me."
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FYI - I'm white because I'm middle eastern, my family never owned slaves... Unless, back when Persia was great like in the 300 but those were probably other Middle Easterners. Anyways I digress. I'm tired of being lumped in with the White Man (except for when it counts like when I fly, or w/ skin heads that think I'm mexican). FIGHT THE POWER!
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then the privileged class is going to have to stop basing their privilege on those days, too.
How would anyone even go about doing that?
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@HelloRaptor said:
then the privileged class is going to have to stop basing their privilege on those days, too.
How would anyone even go about doing that?
By thinking of the children, HR. Why won't anyone think of the children?
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@HelloRaptor said:
then the privileged class is going to have to stop basing their privilege on those days, too.
How would anyone even go about doing that?
Pretty much my point, i.e., it isn't going to happen.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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@Coin said:
@HelloRaptor said:
then the privileged class is going to have to stop basing their privilege on those days, too.
How would anyone even go about doing that?
Pretty much my point, i.e., it isn't going to happen.
I'm starting with me.
Think local, act global.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
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What I don't like is having to step on my toes about asking questions which, at least from my side, are totally well-meaning.
For instance the other day I was chit-chatting with the guy while waiting for him to finish making a burrito at a local Mexican restaurant, and he ... looked hispanic, I guess? So I wanted to ask if he had mexican roots; it wouldn't have impacted me in the least either way (either I like the food or I don't) but it seemed like something that might somehow cause offense so I didn't.
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@Coin said:
@HelloRaptor said:
then the privileged class is going to have to stop basing their privilege on those days, too.
How would anyone even go about doing that?
Pretty much my point, i.e., it isn't going to happen.
Ah, fair enough.
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My view on racism is like most things, I take full responsibility for anything I may do. the actions of anyone else, including my ancestors, which in the case of American slavery is nil, and the various other historical slavery systems likely also nil though given lack of reliable records who can be positive, is to not care.
I will freely apologize for anything I may have done but anyone anyone else has well you get nothing form me.
On a long enough timeline every people has dicked over another one, keeping score for any period of time longer then a life time leads to nothing but the Balkans. -
Apology nor reparations are required to recognize systemic disadvantage and do something about it.
The list of those groups that have participated in oppression, discrimination and cleansing, and slavery is very inclusive.
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The very fact that a sizeable faction of Americans, including politicians, refuse to acknowledge the fact that their forerunners launched a war that culled something in the area of fifteen percent of the population of the United States over the right to own a human being the same way you would a horse or a dog (and treat them worse than either) means we shouldn't shut up about it and people SHOULD be blamed.
Yankee pride. Preserve the Union. Free the slaves. Uphold the constitution.
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Who, alive today, would you blame?
I have a waggish sense of humor.
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Social Justice by Internet RPG Forum.
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Is that the legislative body, the judicial body, or the punishment?
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