RL Anger

Meg · Jul 13, 2017, 2:37 PM

@shangexile No one said that people disagreeing with @surreality's behavior are trolls. Or with anyone's. This whole forum is about 'naming and shaming' and calling people out and generally disagreeing. And that's fine. What you are doing is gross and creepy?

Like, I don't agree with the time @surreality said that anyone who was getting upvoted by you should stop and consider who was on their side (because you can't control who upvotes you). I also don't think upvoting you automatically makes someone bad. But hey, my dude, my broheim, if you're going to do creepy shit, the whole point of this forum is to point out creepy/asshole-ish/cliche/overwrought/boring behavior on the part of our fellow RPers.

(And I hear rumor that some people try to be constructive about the hobby.)

shangexile · Jul 13, 2017, 2:43 PM

@Meg OK, cool! Be a place where people "name and shame" and form factions. That's awesome. Just don't be surprised when the people who are named and shamed come by to do creepy shit- like, say, upvoting posts. Oh, the horror! How can we defend our fragile senses of self against the unmitigated assault of using forum features?

Oops, did I continue posting after I said I'd leave? I've seen other people do that, so I think it is OK. (Though I do intend to leave, rest assured.)

Sparks · Jul 13, 2017, 2:46 PM

SO, in the vein of anger at RL—despite the fact I went to bed a bit earlier than usual last night, I still woke up with a raging migraine and feeling like I got no sleep. Worse still, I have strategy meetings with folks who flew in internationally today (and then a D&D game to GM for co-workers afterwards!), so I need my game face on, but really all I want to do is lay down on the floor, cover my head to shut out all light and noise, and pass out.

Roz · Jul 13, 2017, 2:47 PM

@Sparks said in RL Anger:

(and then a D&D game to GM for co-workers afterwards!)

c a n c el

scar · Jul 13, 2017, 3:10 PM

@Sparks Agree w @Roz on this one. DMing is gonna steal that last bit of life force. Here, I'll sit in your place -- do they like crying in fetal positions? (I really won't, though. I do not volunteer.)

Jaded · Jul 13, 2017, 2:51 PM

What the fuck is it with people not wanting to fix/repair their god damned fire alarm systems. Did no one see that huge building blaze that just happened in the UK?

Fix your fucking systems or vacate your buildings after we yellow tag the goddamn panel. Fuck you, for playing with people's lives.

And fuck the fire marshal that is sitting on his ass not doing anything.

Ganymede · Jul 13, 2017, 2:54 PM

@shangexile said in RL Anger:

There is someone on this forum who believes in "naming and shaming". That person has long considered themselves an inquisitor of bad behavior, and for this reason they have many followers and admirers. Well, not just that reason; they have a lot of positive qualities, including an obvious amount of high verbal and visual intelligence and artistic creativity. No, I'm not being sarcastic! I used to be friends with them.

We were never friends. Such libel.

surreality · Jul 13, 2017, 2:59 PM

@Meg said in RL Anger:

@shangexile No one said that people disagreeing with @surreality's behavior are trolls.

Pretty much that. Dude was called a troll because he was trolling, with the log of his trolling provided. The end. It's not complicated. He contacted me on the game and asked that later communication not be shared, and it has not been. It contains personal RL details, so, no, that's not cool to air regardless of request.

The entire point above was that it's ridiculous to agree or disagree with people. Ideas, yes. Anybody's, in fact. People? No. The person I agree with about something today I may disagree with about something else tomorrow. I agree with people I dislike, I disagree with people I like. Like or dislike doesn't make any damn difference.

The idea that I think anybody I disagree with is a troll is absurd. As to the 'look at the cheering section' thing, that initially came up months ago in regard to someone who insisted they were not being even the tiniest bit unpleasant, and... no, not so much. Hence, 'maybe take a look at the person who admittedly trolls people to harass them who is cheering you on right now and take a moment to think about how you might be coming across if being inoffensive is your intention'. (Person just insisted I was calling them the troll. Someone else making the same leap was corrected and explicitly told that poster wasn't a troll, even. Jesus.)

I suppose he wasn't around for the 4chan invasion to grasp that reference, but that's not my problem. The only people referred to as 4channers are the dudes who kept coming around months back making new accounts to troll the board by throwing the word 'fag' around everywhere and troll the chargen channel on that MCM and post about 'how awful I was treated' thereafter. I'm not the one who came up with that moniker for them, either.

Observe how many people disagreeing with me here I've called trolls and 4channers as an indicator of accuracy. Yep, that's right: one. With a link to a log of that person, trolling and engaging in harassment.

surreality · Jul 13, 2017, 3:04 PM

@Ganymede Oh. man, that's so weird. Like, I didn't even see that bit since I have his posts on ignore most of the time.

Flock of admirers? Dude.

Are you even reading this thread? o.O

It's a little closer to 'this season's generic villain', for reals.

Meg · Jul 13, 2017, 3:06 PM

@shangexile We... are? Maybe not form factions, but 'naming and shaming' is our foundation, Brometheus. And if you were to have come and post reasoned arguments and join into the conversations and not just try to troll one person with your creepy behavior, no one would have cared, bro-m-g. Actually, your last two posts have been the /best/ in stating your point, broski; It's a shame you didn't start with that.

And I honestly don't give a shit if anyone continues posting after they said they'd leave. No one's kicking anyone out here; if you want to keep walking back into the club and then making another exit just to repeat it, go for it. (Metaphorically, of course.)

shangexile · Jul 13, 2017, 3:15 PM

@Meg My cosbropolitan friend, I disagree with nothing in your post. Indeed, I should've just messaged the one person and said, "Hey, do you mind taking that log down"? That would've been the best approach. Mea culpa!

And, as mentioned in one of their last posts they did do me a solid- despite sharing the log they have not breached confidentiality by sharing our private correspondence. Having reminded me of such, I am experiencing what the 4channers call "troll's remorse". So! I will trouble you all with my upvotes and post-hoc rationalizations no more.

Good luck with your creative endeavors (not being sarcastic!) and witch-hunting (probably being sarcastic, there).

And why not celebrate my departure with a string of high-quality memes? I'll get the party started.

Misadventure · Jul 13, 2017, 3:36 PM

I would love to see a listing of these "factions".

Roz · Jul 13, 2017, 3:38 PM

@Misadventure This is my gang:

Misadventure · Jul 13, 2017, 3:40 PM

I would love to see a listing of these "factions". With pictures.

surreality · Jul 13, 2017, 3:48 PM

@shangexile Dude. Seriously. No bullshit here.

You were a good friend for a long while. I get that you're going through some shit. No, I don't wish that on you. I wouldn't wish that on you even if the entire time I've known you, you acted like you have been lately, to be blunt.

I know that shit sucks.

I know you've come to me in the past for help. I have tried to help. I know I have not always -- or maybe even often or ever -- succeeded, but I have tried.

I am sorry that I let you down. No bullshit. I really wish I could have helped. I actually hate seeing the person I knew as the person I'm seeing over the past few months.

The blunt truth is that I am not in a position to help anyone right now, and have not been for some time. I do, actually, hate that. I have too much of my own shit right now that needs unfucking to be useful to anyone as emotional support or meaningful guidance on a personal RL shit level.

That doesn't, actually, make any goddamn difference from your end, in that your experience is the same regardless: I definitely let you down this time.

I know that. I understand that. I do, actually, feel bad about that bit.

Do I regret posting? No.

Because you crossed a line. Shit, man. (Here's where the popcorn assholes get their fill.)

Impersonating the ex? No, man. You know I left there over his bullshit and constant paranoid accusations and never really came back, even if I have a login to talk to people OOC from the out of the way of a rented room now, years later. So, yeah. I'm not ashamed to admit that caused a panic attack when it kicked off. Dude was able to unleash some serious hell and that that guy who used to flood my RL email with a hundred messages of 'slut' and 'whore' for hugging someone in the square one day IC, well. Pretty sure you can see why that guy being furious, believing I had him banned (I've never had anyone banned on Shang)? My RL was about to become harassment hell, from where I was sitting, until I grabbed the panicky reflex long enough to figure out you were 'cold reading' the whole thing and could calm the fuck down.

Would I have taken it down if asked? Yeah, actually.

I don't know if you're the dude I woke up to find a shit-ton of creepy 'I am outside your window, touching myself, watching you, I know what you did' pages from or not, but fuck, man. You do know where I live. You do know about my RL stalker ex who tried to straight up murder me and would pound down my fucking door screaming until the neighbors would call the fucking cops, as it was still going on back then when we spoke much more often, a zillion years ago. I really want to believe that wasn't also you, even with all this shit.

The shit you're doing is not OK. You know it isn't OK, and you know you need to stop, and need help finding a way to stop. I am not trying to condescend to you; I am saying that I recognized later that even the trolling crap back then was a cry for help in the form of lashing out.

I do want things to get better for you.

I can't be that help. I am sorry for that. I do hope you find it, though, no bullshit or snark. I am just in no position to offer it now.

I would, actually, be happy to mend fences with you or something some day. The dude I remember was a pretty awesome motherfucker, after all. Right now, though, man? We both need help, and the shit we need help with, I think it's fair to say, makes us really toxic to each other right now.

I haven't, btw, reported you here for anything so far as I can ever recall. I certainly haven't in any of the shit over the past few days anyway, even with all the shit flying around and people asking why I haven't. I have no desire to chase you off. I'm not willing to put up with jerky crap from you, but I'm not going to go so far as to say 'you are an ugly-hearted person and GTFO of my hobby/off my forum'. That's shitty to see aimed at you; I've seen enough of it lately aimed my way to not want to say that to you or anybody else. (There's literally two people I feel that way about: Spider and Rex/Sovereign.)

There's some other shit I would say, but is more personal than I feel would be appropriate to say in the open, for the same reason the private communication was not shared. (And it pertains to something in that, so.)

Regardless: I hope shit gets better for you. For real.

scar · Jul 13, 2017, 3:46 PM

ohshyit, I forget who's brainless sycophant I was...

Ghost · Jul 13, 2017, 3:48 PM

My gang...

Kanye Qwest · Jul 13, 2017, 3:50 PM

@Roz That Venus and Mars, though

surreality · Jul 13, 2017, 3:54 PM

My gang...

Ganymede · Jul 13, 2017, 3:55 PM

@Kanye-Qwest said in RL Anger:

That Venus and Mars, though

I'll admit: I had hoped.