RL Anger
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@Kanye-Qwest OH NO. I'm super bummed that you can't do that.
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QUASI POLITICAL (NOT intended to start a political discussion)
The look on your face when fans shit on something good.
The football club I back (Phoenix Rising FC, USL, my user pic) has 2 major backer groups: La Furia Roja 1881 and Los Bandidos.
The Furia Roja 1881 are a bunch of good folks with kids, friends, get togethers, etc. The Bandidos are best described as a militant ANTIFA group who have adopted Rising FC as their FC of choice.
At Saturday's game (After plenty of political news generated here in Phoenix, Az) the Bandidos came loaded for bear with protest banners, one including crossed out swastikas on a railing within view of the TV cameras and the goal. They were asked (by Rising FC) to remove the sign with the swastikas and the Bandidos cited absolutism, you're with us or against us rhetoric, and in protest of the FC and USL regulations for political/hate related imagery in the stands...they stormed out of the arena.
In short? Way to make it about yourselves and not support of the team, assholes. Claiming support of a sports team does not automatically entitle you to support for every last drip of your political endeavors.
Delete the Hog Pit. It'll be fun.
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@Ghost Always two types of supporters: the assholes and the nice people. The nice people get lumped in with the assholes because the assholes are louder and more violent.
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In short? Way to make it about yourselves and not support of the team, assholes. Claiming support of a sports team does not automatically entitle you to support for every last drip of your political endeavors.
Especially in Europe it always is about the fans (or whatever the fans want a rivalry to be) than the team. I mean what is a 'team spirit' anyway? What 'ideals' does Manchester United represent that are different in any way than Liverpool's? But they'll happily go meet their rivals in a street and beat the living shit out of each other.
It's 100% about them.
You also see it in professional sports but in different ways. Kevin Durant leaves OKC - fuck that traitor! Derrick Rose destroys his knees on-court playing for the Bulls and his performance diminishes - get that bum outta here! Isiah Thomas gets traded against his consent from Boston and some fans are burning his jersey!
Fans are assholes.
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Went out to my car to go to work today. Apparently the neighbor (has one of those super lifted up trucks) backed into my car and fucked the hood up. Now the son of a bitch won't even answer the door. I am considering calling the cops and reporting a hit and run shortly.
Hello! Long time listener, first time caller...
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Went out to my car to go to work today. Apparently the neighbor (has one of those super lifted up trucks) backed into my car and fucked the hood up. Now the son of a bitch won't even answer the door. I am considering calling the cops and reporting a hit and run shortly.
You should.
Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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Yesterday someone mentioned something about a "Harvey" and Houston. I had no fucking idea what they were referring to, so I asked. Apparently not knowing about a hurricane half a world away and subsequent flooding in a city that's also half a world away makes me "ignorant" and "insensitive".
So I asked the stupid cunt what her opinion was of the flooding in Assam and Bihar. (You know, places that are by comparison in my back yard.)
Today I find that being aware of massive events that are impacting millions upon millions in a country that's the next door neighbour of the one I'm in, without being aware of an event that's half a world away, apparently makes me an "asshole" on top of everything else.
Strangely, though, her ignorance of massive disruptions (far larger than the Houston thing!) half a world away doesn't make her an ignorant, insensitive asshole.
Gotta love the way people think sometimes, eh?
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@WTFE You are too much of a gentleman to bitchslap her for having such a glaring double-standard, but I will cheerfully volunteer to bitchslap her on your behalf.
This kind of shit is my current biggest peeve across all aspects of life.
Oh fucking well.
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@WTFE Social media has, honestly, ruined people in so many ways.
Shootings are an example of this. And call me an asshole for that if you want.
In 2002, two men killed 10 people in the DC area. It ended up, over the three weeks, a rather frequent topic on national television. If it happened today, I know it'd be constant on social media. Non-stop. It'd be all anyone talked about and no one would bat an eye about it.
At the time, however, I had a few people on MU*s that knew I lived local bitch at me about how sick they were of their news covering an event that wasn't local to them.
Something major, violent, and rather terrifying to local people. Again, nowadays, those same people would probably be dogpiling on anyone in such an area with sympathy and well-wishes, and 'OH MY GOD I'M SO SCARED FOR YOU' but at the time it was 'ugh I'm three thousand miles away why do I have to hear about this.'
I didn't know about the flooding in Assam and Bihar. But I also give no fucks if you keep up with what's happening here. You've got your own politics, weather, etc etc to follow.
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Ugh. We lived close to where the DC snipers were killing people. I felt so scared every time I put my boys, ages 5 and 6 at the time, on the school bus and didn't stop until they came home safe every day.
"Just leave me alone. I'm not myself. I'm falling apart, and I don't want you here." - ― Daniel Keyes, Flowers for Algernon
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@Apu said in RL Anger:
Ugh. We lived close to where the DC snipers were killing people. I felt so scared every time I put my boys, ages 5 and 6 at the time, on the school bus and didn't stop until they came home safe every day.
I worked and sometimes walked to/from near one of the locations someone was killed.
For us locals, it was def. a big deal. But I understood (and still would) why people in, say, Cali didn't wanna keep hearing about it. -
Strangely, though, her ignorance of massive disruptions (far larger than the Houston thing!) half a world away doesn't make her an ignorant, insensitive asshole.
Mm-hmm. People around here are talking about how oppressive the Trump regime is. Or how there's an oppressive war of Christianity. And I'm like: "bitches, do you know who the Rohingya are?"
I get it. You like Christmas. Meanwhile, there are people getting shot in the open between a country that wants to purge them and another that doesn't want to let them in to escape the people trying to shoot them.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@Ganymede -- You're forgetting that what most of these people mean by oppression is "I'm no longer allowed to force my beliefs onto other people."
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@surreality said in RL Anger:
@WTFE You are too much of a gentleman to bitchslap her for having such a glaring double-standard, but I will cheerfully volunteer to bitchslap her on your behalf.
This kind of shit is my current biggest peeve across all aspects of life.
Actually I tore her a new one and got blocked. I'm too old and too cranky to put up with this kind of mealy-mouthed self-centeredness these days. Ever since the 300 Swedes incident.
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@Aria Man, I hate to start something, but ...
I'm Christian.
I grew up in the Evangelical community, though in a very small, independent tradition, and not among the Baptist wave.
Although, I left my tradition for a mainline denomination, I'm currently attending a church of that same tradition again, because family.
I disagree a ton with what many Evangelicals preach and believe. I do not believe there is a war on Christians. I do not believe Christians should be able to legislate morality, BUT ...
The argument isn't that they're oppressed because they're no longer able to force their beliefs on people. The argument is that they're oppressed because they feel like they can no longer voice their beliefs outside of their own small circle without having half the country jump down their throat for their backwardness and hate. They feel like their not even given the chance to truly explain what they believe or how it differs from more extreme fundamentalists like Westboro Baptist.
And given the amount of conditionals I felt necessary to put at the beginning of this post to keep people from jumping down my throat, they maybe have a bit of a point ...
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@Aria Man, I hate to start something, but ...
I'm Christian.
I grew up in the Evangelical community, though in a very small, independent tradition, and not among the Baptist wave.
Although, I left my tradition for a mainline denomination, I'm currently attending a church of that same tradition again, because family.
I disagree a ton with what many Evangelicals preach and believe. I do not believe there is a war on Christians. I do not believe Christians should be able to legislate morality, BUT ...
The argument isn't that they're oppressed because they're no longer able to force their beliefs on people. The argument is that they're oppressed because they feel like they can no longer voice their beliefs outside of their own small circle without having half the country jump down their throat for their backwardness and hate. They feel like their not even given the chance to truly explain what they believe or how it differs from more extreme fundamentalists like Westboro Baptist.
And given the amount of conditionals I felt necessary to put at the beginning of this post to keep people from jumping down my throat, they maybe have a bit of a point ...
You seem like a nice person, so I'll be gentle on you and keep the really bad words I want to use out of the equation. For now.
You're talking to someone who met a girl in university who was in every way the person who would "complete" me. She was smart, funny, and intensely, creatively artistic. (She was in a special degree program that was tailor made for SIX STUDENTS in the faculty of music.)
She was also a Christian.
And one day the inevitable happened: she asked me which church I went to. (Note: not if I went to church, not even what religion was I, which church I went to.) When I explained to her that I was an atheist she went STARK WHITE with fear. She was absolutely convinced that the person she'd been dating with for over a year was a soulless, evil automaton. Because if you weren't Christian, and especially if you didn't believe in God, you must be evil. She dumped me then and there. (Had I said I was a Buddhist or a Muslim I suspect she'd have instead tried to convert me because I was merely "mistaken" instead of "evil".)
You're talking to someone whose hobby (RPGs) was on the receiving end of hate campaigns you had to see to believe. They hunted us out in the school basement in my high school. (Luckily the principal had a backbone and told them to fuck off so they were left with only harassing us with pamphlets.) They (in this case the Campus Crusade for Christ) followed us from room to room in university until we found a place they couldn't reach us (a private attached college's meeting room) trying to get our club shut down.
Throughout the '80s and early '90s they embarked on multiple campaigns of lies and deceit to convince everybody that we gamers were drug addicts, Satanists, murderers, or, worse, ATHEISTS! (See a theme here?)
You're talking to someone who was fired from a job upon the boss finding out that I didn't go to church. (That wasn't the reason cited, of course, but it was the real reason.)
Given all of this, you'll have to excuse me if I'm a bit gunshy whenever I meet someone who self-identifies as a Christian. Especially of the evangelical camp. (The tormentors in high school were Adventists.) And if you think you're oppressed because of people like us being gunshy and suspicious, perhaps it's time for you to reflect on how you (the collective, not you individually) have been treating people for centuries. Perhaps, then, you'll feel a bit of sympathy instead of whining about your oppression.
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@WTFE I'm so sorry that you had all of those experiences, and for the role that Christians played in them, I apologize to the extent that I'm able. My family and my church condemned such extremist and uncalled for measures in the 80's and I continue to do so now. I'm sorry you felt hated and judged and isolated, if I was present and could have stopped it, I like to believe that I would have. Please believe me, that I'm currently trying to do what I can to keep anyone from feeling that way in the future. I want to state unequivocally that the way you were treated was wrong and unChristlike and it should not have happened.
I do not expect sympathy for Christians crying oppression. They (We) are not oppressed.
I would like there to be understanding on both sides about why the opposite side feels the way that it does, so that, perhaps some years down the road, the hatred can stop and there can be healing.
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@WTFE I'm so sorry that you had all of those experiences, and for the role that Christians played in them, I apologize to the extent that I'm able. My family and my church condemned such extremist and uncalled for measures in the 80's and I continue to do so now. I'm sorry you felt hated and judged and isolated, if I was present and could have stopped it, I like to believe that I would have. Please believe me, that I'm currently trying to do what I can to keep anyone from feeling that way in the future. I want to state unequivocally that the way you were treated was wrong and unChristlike and it should not have happened.
I do not expect sympathy for Christians crying oppression. They (We) are not oppressed.
I would like there to be understanding on both sides about why the opposite side feels the way that it does, so that, perhaps some years down the road, the hatred can stop and there can be healing.
You don't have to apologize for the actions of others. I'm just explaining to you why it is that Christians have such a bad name among non-Christians these days. Weirdly enough, I don't actually hate Christians (and I tend to tear capital-A Atheists a new asshole when they're being obnoxious about their anti-Christian rants). But boy HOWDY am I gun-shy around a newly introduced one until I figure out where they stand on things.
And, inevitably, that is going to hurt some who don't deserve it.
The rift between the Christian community--especially its more vocal and "conservative" element (although it baffles me to this day what they think they're "conserving" with their foolishness!)--and the non-Christian community will take time and effort to close. And, while this may seem unfair (and could very well be), it will be the Christians taking the bulk of the effort for this wound to heal.
