@auspice said in Good TV:
It's been said, repeatedly, that a large part of WB's issue with DC vs. Disney's with Marvel is that Pixar/Marvel (and part of why the partnership has worked so well is both studios took the same approach pre-merger) always gave a single person creative control / the buck stopped with them. WB has a board of directors at the helm over their movies who make decisions based on marketing.
I disagree. I am of the opinion that the DCCU is failing because, unlike the MCU, the execs at WB decided it was a bad idea to actually give each of the main members an origin tale so that you would actually give a shit about them.
Prior to The Avengers, Captain America got one film, Thor got one, Iron Man got 2, and the Hulk got 1 or 2, depending on your perspective. Either way, when The Avengers opened, you had a feel for the characters and their background, and didn't need to waste time in the film going through that.
With the DCCU, you had Man of Steel, and then Dawn of Justice. Aside from Snyder's terrible direction, the central protagonist in Dawn of Justice -- Bruce Wayne -- is largely an enigma before he is launched into this head-to-head confrontation; although you generally know who Batman is (who doesn't?), it's pretty clear that there are a lot of bits and pieces of information missing about him, making him hard to relate to (beyond the fact that he's fucking Batman, but the Nolans still presented his background in Batman Begins).
Then you have Wonder Woman, which was magic because DC did what Marvel/Disney does and allow the directors to see their creative vision through.
So, Justice League has a lot of problems without even discussing the script. Aquaman has zero movies; The Flash has zero movies; Cyborg has zero movies; and Batman, arguably, has zero movies. You have to wedge some of that into the movie, and that's going to make it rushed and jumbled. Whedon didn't have to deal with that when he did The Avengers. Add to it Snyder having to drop out -- and good for him for doing so for the right reasons -- and WB should have fucking delayed the project to get their shit right the first time.
I would have zero concerns about Disney/LucasFilm delaying Han Solo due to the massive changes in direction.
It's theorized that a large part of why Wonder Woman did so well is they thought 'eh, female hero, female director, no one's gonna like it anyway. let's just get it over and done with so we can prove it won't do well.' and they let Patty Jenkins actually do her job.
Yeah, well, serves them fucking right.
I'll admit that I was a bit leery when I found out Sir Kenneth Branagh was going to direct Thor, but, boy, was I wrong.