@arkandel said in The Basketball Thread:
"TL:DR- By being old (40) Manu Ginobili is protected by US anti discrimination laws regarding age, and can demand a contract similar to a comparably talented 22 year old if he chose to do so. The Spurs can't choose not to resign him even if they wanted to."
Ginobili has to prove that his ability level is the same as that of the 22 year old in order to prevail.
He won't.
@thenomain said in Changeling the Lost 2e: The Huntsman Chronicles:
What this does give you, however, is the kind of flexibility people annoyingly shoe-horned into the Kith system. Dual-kith, triple-kith, kith evolution, good effing lord people pick a story and stick with it! I understand why people didn't want to, between lame Kith bonuses and not the creativity of the game creators to create, e.g., a Lightning-bug Kith who powers her own inventions with her Kardashian-eque butt.
They had a perfectly good idea in Demon: The Descent, and they just forgot about it, apparently.
The "flexibility" in Changeling regarding multi-kithing can be replaced simply and easily with a set of "advantages" that you can pick up at certain Wyrd levels. How those advantages manifest is completely up to the player, within the confines of his Seeming's "concept."
Simple. Easy. Flexible.
Forgotten.
@arkandel said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
Sure, and that's why Vlad should buy Intimidation.
No, that's not what I'm getting at. What I'm suggesting is that a social system consider reputation or renown as a factor. That would give your combat monkeys an "in" when it comes to politics, or a potential bar therefrom, independent from skills but dependent on actions.
Might give them pause from being bullies.
I'm pretty sure that I could spit out an edition quicker than them.
@arkandel said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
Or to get back to the original cause for this tangent in the thread, social characters need to have a strong niche, the same way as physical characters do.
Pyrephox said this as well, but the path isn't putting up a roadblock to prevent socially-inept people rising to power. And that's what I was getting at, obliquely.
And we're not even talking about the social consequences that should be attendant with being a combat monster, generally. No matter how genial Vlad the Impaler might have been in his court, one cannot forget that he was Vlad the Impaler, as reviled as he was feared, as he was beloved in hindsight.
@arkandel said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
- It ends up having an effect on the game in general, because it can lead to many positions being occupied by characters who don't belong there but without any real consequences depending on how they are played. Sure, my skirt-chasing swordsman is funny when I pose him, but the House is doing A-okay (or not noticeably worse than your House led by someone with high finances and social skills). Path of least resistance, right?
Do you have any idea how many people in history rose to positions that they didn't deserve? Of course you do. So, this is only really problematic if people want a smooth, gentle political system of gossip and soft, mewling glances. While I realize that Arx is essentially a fantasy game, I hope people realize that what they're looking for is a fantasy.
- It still overshadows characters built for this, but the other way around doesn't happen or, even better, does have real tangible consequences when it does. If I bring my likable class clown to a real fight someone's going to physically cave his head in with a hammer, not just draw a few chuckles yet overall get the job done.
Then your clown gets his head caved in. This is a problem because ... ?
Do I need to point out at least one real life example where an experienced, veteran, savvy, popular politician has lost power due to some knuckle-dragging dump of a meatbag?
- This sort of thing absolutely relies on reasonable players realizing their own characters' limitations and playing them accordingly. The real fun begins when that doesn't happen, which is very often the case. Obviously great roleplayers choosing an angle will result to positive results, but that's not the rule - it's the exception.
I get it. You don't enjoy vampire or real-life politics without having an appreciation for how the system is supposed to work ideally.
But, if I'm reading you correctly, you're essentially arguing that it's a bad thing to have socially-inept combat monsters in court because the average player isn't going to realize their own characters' limitations and play them accordingly. That seems a little patrician to me.
@darinelle said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
Well. I mean - yes, I think what we're saying here is that we're putting in considerable effort to keep this from happening, because it's weird to have Combat Joe Who Has No Social Skills And Does Not Afraid Of Anything in charge of diplomatic efforts.
Yes, but hilarity can ensue when this is the case.
I mean, that's why Fifth Kingdom was so much fun for me for so long: my high lord PC was socially awkward, but enjoyed getting drunk and wrassling. He was once dragged through the market trying to wrassle a boar down that had escaped from a pen.
Good tiiiiiimes. (I miss Mr. Turtle.)
@auspice said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
My mother, who after her weight loss surgery still weighs more than I do, is still trying to convince me that I should get weight loss surgery.
My mother, a fierce Chinese woman of 5 feet and 100 pounds, is more than happy to tell me how much weight I need to lose every damn time we meet. And then she makes dinner for my family that includes macaroni and cheese and other stuff that is very much not conducive to weight loss.
Bitch.
I love her to bits.
@arkandel said in Health and Wealth and GrownUp Stuff:
"Ugh, that girl is skinny! She needs to eat a sandwich."
There is no way they'd ever say "that girl is overweight, she needs to stop eating sandwiches". What gives?
Not around you. You're a guy.
But trust me: they say this all the time.
We all know that this is the wise path, not because it is simplest but because changeling can sometimes be the complexiest.
@cobaltasaurus
Well, I suppose that story goes back to what I said a month ago about how WoD players just seem perfectly happy to consistently shit in their own beds.
@admiral said in Darkwater: The Return:
As someone who hates Werewolf 1e I can attest that Werewolf 2e is great.
True. Elodoth suck even worse in 2E.
@sunny said in Fortydeuce's Playlist:
Pfft.
eyes
No one fights with me.
(I don't remember fortydeuce.)
@cobaltasaurus said in Darkwater: The Return:
Fuck werewolf with a rusty spoon. No. Never.
I think Lithium meant Werewolf 2E.
It really is super-different.
The players may not be.
@kanye-qwest said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
sure, but that's not at all what @roz was describing.
Sure it is. At least, I'm pretty sure it is.
I get it. There's a new mini-game coming that has some benefits attached to it. Some people will play, some won't. Some people don't want it around because it will confer some bonus for activity that they don't want to engage in, and some probably don't care if it does.
And some people, to argue against the implementation of the new system that they don't want to engage in, will inflate it to something it is not rhetorically.
In WoD games, this happens an awful lot.
@roz said in Coming Soon: Arx, After the Reckoning:
As to the fashion/clothing thing: there's a weird thing I've noticed where "system that exists that offers some sort of benefit, however minor" suddenly equals "this system is necessary to use to WIN."
I don't think this is weird at all. Just about every WoD game I've played on has someone who wants to win at everything.
