Posts made by Lithium

This isn't just about SuperMan though, it's about the fact that there are limited plots.

When there are limited plots, there is a very high chance that there will be an FC involved who can just overwhelm the problem and the OC's have nothing to really shine while doing.

In a true open world where there was infinite plots and things going on all the time then yeah OC's might have a place alongside the FC's but...

That isn't fucking reality.

Anyone trying to claim that there are enough plots and scenes going around all the time that the FC's can't, and won't, be involved in is literally sticking their head in the sand and living in a dream world of their own creation.

@Coin got to play an OC with power on a scale of an FC being a Skrull Green Lantern, congratulations, you got to be the special snowflake.

Most OC's don't get that chance or opportunity getting shut down and even when they are approved, they usually cannot meaningfully impact any scene that has FC's running around in it.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand, MU'ing is not a perfect environment. Every story does not get told. Things are not equal.... unless everyone /is/ given the same starting rules, and FC's are /built/ with the same rules as OC's.

But that doesn't seem to happen in my experience.

EDIT: And fuck you @Coin for saying I want my OC's to be as powerful as Superman. Way to try a bait and switch with an insult to go with it.

Even Bellamy wasn't a dick 100% of the time.

@Coin And my point is that your experiences do not represent the totality of anything /either/.

@Coin The fact that people STILL play on Brave New World and Haven means people WILL play anywhere. It has no weight at all.

I can play anything on any freeform place if I wanted to, just because you played a Skrull Green Lantern somewhere doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of thing.

We're talking in circles now, so I'll just say that my experiences do not in any way resemble yours. The games I have tried to play on, are not magical worlds of equality where OC's are just as in demand as FC's for RP and scenes and plots, apparently you have found this magical world.

Give me the address so I can see for myself please.

I don't think you should buy swmush.com or whatever, it's just an address and doesn't really matter I was just poking to poke.

I still remember thinking how Lame it was that they made Polaris Magneto's daughter too.

It's like: People can have related powers, and not be related.

Stupid.

@Coin You're choosing to miss my original point then:

If the FC's are 'Featured' /and/ more 'Powerful' than any OC can EVER be, then what is the point of trying to be involved as an OC?

It's just another reason why FC's and OC's don't really mix.

Fuck those people who put shit in their mouths and then hand them to cashiers. Fuck them to hell with a chainsaw coated in ebola.

I don't want to touch /anything/ that's been in a fucking random strangers mouth, at all. Ever.

@Arkandel You tell me, go to any superhero game and see if the OC's can be created as strong as the FC's.

My experience is no.

@Derp Let's see how you feel when that happens for 5 scenes straight, which equates to over a month and a half RL time. Kind of hard to feel 'highly skilled' at anything.

Especially when you're still getting hit right and left.

@Coin said in Marvel: 1963:

@Lithium said in Marvel: 1963:

It's a lot to overcome. I'd love to see the Marvel world brought to life in a game, the 60's is interesting also, but I'd prefer it if the FC's weren't available for play and people created their own characters and stories. If there was ever a universe that had room for OC's, it's Marvel's.

I'm not sure why Marvel has more room than DC or other universes.

In any case, I think the niche theme will probably help the people who do play focus on characterization and how to interpret characters.

But I am also a really big fan of alterante realities and stuff, so maybe that's just my jam.

There's a /huge/ difference in power between FC's and what is available for OC's in the DC universe. Superman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, they are huge power wise and there is no chance for an OC to be the same power level as them. Even the rest of the Justice League has nothing to really step up with except for possible Captain Atom and a few others... which are just more FC's. Not even gonna touch Batman here.

Marvel's got some pretty powerful beings, but they're not on Earth most the time, so the big bads aren't always flying around and doing things every day. The most iconic for Marvel are people like Captain America (or used to be), The X-Men, Fantastic Four, and spider-man who are powerful but not unapproachable by OC's.

So in the DC universe OC's are generally even /worse/ off than Marvel when it comes to having OC's be relevant. The power gap is less a thing for Marvel OC's on most games (Strong people in Marvel toss around 100 tons, not counting a few outliers. Strong people in DC toss around hundreds of thousands of tons).

That's what I mean.

@Coin said in The 100: The Mush:

What this thread has taught me is that no matter what, "good game" and "bad game" are subjective and people will always find something to praise and something to damn about anything, and that someone will always rise up in defense and someone will always double-down on criticism when that happens.

So, really, I guess it didn't teach me a damn thing I didn't already know.

Really the Haven thread nailed that straight into my temples. I mean everyone knew that Dark Metal was a 'bad game' but it had it's charms, and I don't necessarily think that The 100 is a 'bad' game, just that when I played, I had issues and some other things fell apart so I left.

The thing here is that people have experiences, and as soon as anyone says that their experience or opinion doesn't matter, of course that's going to piss people off.

@Coin You're right that there will be people interested in playing it, there's people out there for any game you can imagine. I am not saying there won't be, but there still will be a disconnect the same reason that dark ages games are never as popular as modern times for oWoD and whatnot. It's also the reason why certain killer games from days of yore struggled for a while to get a solid player base and it /still/ happens today.

When you change what people are used to and comfortable to playing it creates a disconnect. That's not to say that disconnects cannot be overcome, great storytelling, good people, and any number of other things can make up for it but disconnects are discouraging because they are a barrier to entry.

I'm not trying to bash the game before it's even launched, I am only pointing out what I /think/ may probably happen.

That's it.

It's a lot to overcome. I'd love to see the Marvel world brought to life in a game, the 60's is interesting also, but I'd prefer it if the FC's weren't available for play and people created their own characters and stories. If there was ever a universe that had room for OC's, it's Marvel's.

@ixokai I think you're caught in a situation where someone decrying that things aren't bad, is usually the problem to begin with.

We've seen this happen a lot of times on a lot of places over the decades and so you just happened to fit that bill.

Don't take it personally which is why people have apologized to you.

@ixokai You are being awfully defensive. We as a whole on this board are very open about our feelings and perceptions in general.

Just because we disagree with you doesn't necessarily mean we are attacking you. We do have concerns, and we voice them, you don't. That's fine. The way you keep coming back to defend things is kind of odd all things considered.

Just because you weren't the problem I had, doesn't mean I didn't have problems. The same is true for everyone and anyone else who did have problems that were not related to you.

As a whole though, if we're not invested into a game we're more likely to just walk. So because of that, because of what we experienced, a fair number of us have already walked.

No game is for everyone, but you can be all 'Dear God' all you like, we're still going to talk about it.

@ixokai Well I can honestly say I never interacted with you with my character that I recall. I played Samson, because my girlfriend who is a lot more into guys than I am wanted to have a more traditional relationship on a game.

She ended up not playing there, and I had absolutely zero reason to stick with the game given all that's been said.

@Admiral If we knew their character name, we might be able to confirm or deny that.

@ixokai Don't get me wrong, I am not wanting it to be that way just that whenever I've seen an FC comic game come up, people want to play with the FC's, not with the OC's, because it's the FC's everyone is familiar with and wants to link their story to.

It's basic power fantasy type of thing, writing their own story into the FC's and really, there's nothing inherently wrong with doing that.

It's just been done, to death, and it follows almost a formula.

I hope it is different, but right now it's got two things for it: 1, 1963 I'm not sure most people who MU even remember that time period. So it'll be an odd thing to try and RP. Two it's going to try and mesh characters who didn't even exist into that time period which is going to cause two levels if disconnect.

OC's are going to be a third level of disconnect and that's a lot of disconnect to try and overcome.

I don't want any game to fail (Except Haven but that's another thread entirely) but I /fear/ it's going to turn out that way.

Also: FC's means the same crowd of interested people, which means the same temperament and same mood and same drama.

That's all.

I'm assuming it because out of the nearly 30 years I've been MU'in it's a constant. I've personally never seen a single game not end up like that when it has FC's from the comic books. FC's become important because they /are/ FC's, they are 'Feature Characters' so they are 'Featured' more than OC's are. OC's aren't Features.

@ixokai Because it's the one constant I've seen with every comic book game that allows FC character's. FC's always end up more important/powerful than the OC's.