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@Auspice

I'd probably be dead if it weren't for nurses and budtenders. Budtenders are also super helpful people.

@Cirno said:

Is it Wrongfun?

Not until you shove it into my face.

That...sigh. DON'T SAY IT.

@arkandel

Something I think would really help is to consider two things:

1. Reporting tools can (and are often) used as a form of griefing

2. Lots of people don't actually hit 'report' when perhaps they should

Taking those things into consideration for the creation of both policies and in how they are enforced would probably go a long way towards resolving the types of things that have given me the impression of unfair/uneven moderation.

You absolutely cannot change how I feel about this, no. You CAN help keep other people from feeling this way going forward, though.

@KDraygo

It's good advice and something for me to keep in my tiny little brain when I'm trying to parse through some of this stuff. Thanks for bothering to answer that question, and for doing so with grace. I genuinely appreciate it.

I mean, we talked about Star Wars for way longer. I hadn't planned on continuing the discussion, personally.

@Lisse24

www.codecombat.com

Also

https://see.stanford.edu/Course/CS106A

It will not teach you mush code, but the Stanford class (it's free) should get the concepts across enough for you to teach yourself the mush stuff using helpfiles, dissecting other peoples' code, and asking for the occasional bit of help. Very few of the mush coders I know are anything but mostly self-taught.

I stuck this in in an edit, so I'll just post it again:

Current practice makes me concerned that someone can post something very inflammatory/inappropriate and be just fine, but responses to that initial thing get swatted, leaving the original nastiness to stand. If this comes in the form of actually deleting these posts, what we have is somebody saying something ugly and no rebuttals being present for it. That's a recipe for disaster.

Getting off work ~20 minutes early because your daily wrap is a virtual meeting and one boss wants to talk to the other so she says 'GO HOME!'

@faraday

Yeah, I agree. Code combat teaches Python, and the Stanford class doesn't teach a real language, but instead the concepts of coding.

@ganymede

I think basing moderation primarily on reports is a really bad idea, and if that's the way it's going to be, I do not think there is any particular action that y'all can take as a result that's going to actually avoid making it more toxic than it is right now. Deleting posts is just going to make it worse.

ETA: My suggestion? Read the threads. All of them. All of you. Act based on clear criteria. Don't expect your users to report problems, or to be unbiased in that reporting. If you don't want to play mod in the hog pit, get rid of it. Otherwise, read those threads too. Be moderators, if you're going to be moderators. Quit halfassing it. Do, or do not.

@Testament

Me too, man. Pandemic. Trauma. Long-term. You're allowed to not be as OK. I'm glad to hear you recognize it for what it is, and that you have time off coming up.

One of the big things I've been slapped with in the last few days is the reminder that even though all of us are dealing with utter shit in our worlds right now, that does not mean that the people who care about you don't have the space to listen. It's OK to talk to them (or us, here) without feeling guilty. Your brain and the depression will tell you folks don't care / don't want to listen / that other people have it worse and you have no right, but that's not true.

You are NOT more of a pain in the ass than anyone else right now and what pain there might be your friends understand because of what the world looks like right now.

eta: I am literally midst meltdown right now (in a particularly lucid moment) and everybody is still talking to me and I promise you I am like 100 times more of a PITA.

@Lain said in Eliminating social stats:

@faraday So if you can suspend disbelief for factual inaccuracy, why not for low interpersonal skill? I think it really does come down to not wanting to have it rubbed in your face that your character is not "above the bullshit." So even though people fall for obvious lies both in real life and in fiction all the time, if a player's bullshit detector goes off, then there's this illusion that it must also go off for the character in order to maintain suspension of disbelief.

I'd go as far as to call it an IC/OOC conflation to the extent that it indicates a floundering theory of mind in the person doing the RP. I wouldn't mind spending a ton of my IC points on things like Resolve/Composure in the interest of making my character actually "above the bullshit."

This is a great example of 'if you don't do it the way that I do it, you've got bad motivations/are a bad player' when it's actually personal preference.

As an out of left field (ish) thought...:;

I am really kind of wondering what would happen if the hog pit just went away entirely and 'mildly constructive' just became the general discussion forums with SLIGHTLY less lax rules than at present. Yes, there are people that would quit here if that part of the forum went away, and there would be a lot of screaming, but...

I don't see a 'new' hogpit style forum wakening, or the user base splitting. I see...people being pissed off, some leaving for a while, and ultimately everyone coming back. There are reasons for gloves off possibilities, but I think that those reasons could be crafted into the semi-constructive rules to allow for it.

I dunno. I keep hearing folks say they really would prefer that, except for a very vocal few, and I'm not sure why we as a culture/community are letting a vocal few people make us keep the hog pit around instead of making the decision that we need to be better.

(I mean, elephant in the room and all.)

ETA: Even Blizzard is coming down on toxicity in their communications between players. Microsoft's ToU is updated along these lines for Xbox. People are realizing that the hands off free for all nasty is REALLY damaging to gaming communities.

We are a gaming community.

I trust the mods enough to craft the rules in such a way to allow for the honesty that is the one necessary and healthy part of the pit. I honestly do think it's possible, and at the end of the day (year), we would as a whole community be a lot happier.

@Aria

You are 100% correct. In-deed.

@Lain said in Eliminating social stats:

@Sunny said in Eliminating social stats:

This is a great example of 'if you don't do it the way that I do it, you've got bad motivations/are a bad player' when it's actually personal preference.

No more than people insisting that if you are bad with people IRL then by extension so must your character. If "it's just personal preference" can justify abolishing social but not mental skills, then logically, the inverse can also be true. I'm in favor of neither, mind you.

There's a huge, very significant difference, actually. I can see why you would be in favor of rollplay instead of roleplay where it comes to social skills, if you seriously equate these things out to the same sort of thing. Apples and rocks.

@faraday said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

@sunny said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:

I'm not sure why we as a culture/community are letting a vocal few people make us keep the hog pit around instead of making the decision that we need to be better.

Making the already-weak rules on the rest of the forums even more weak isn't a step towards getting better IMHO - it's a step towards getting worse. I don't see why we as a culture/community would want things to get more toxic unless the mods just completely threw in the towel and decided to let the whole board become gloves-off.

Different rules? IDK how to say what I'm trying to get at. I don't disagree with you. I just think that it should be allowed to warn people about folks like Sovereign.

https://www.sweetfarm.org/goat-2-meeting

Legit doing a corporate donation one for my birthday in August for one of our team meetings. Boss is 100% on board. I am excited. Like REALLY excited.

Anyone who doesn't see a difference between 'if you play this way you are wrong' and 'I would like to try and play like this' has a problem.

Project scope too big. Given available resources, all ends cannot be accomplished. ^^

@Auspice

I want a llama but I'm gonna settle for a goat.

@Lain

No, what I have insisted is different is 'if you aren't playing my way you're wrong' and 'I'd like to try doing it this way'. Because they are. You rolled in from the start talking about people being terrible for the thought of taking social skills out of a system and attributing all sorts of motivations to them. It's what I objected to in the very first place. Just because you don't think someone's reasons are GOOD ENOUGH it does not actually mean they are doing it for reasons beyond the ones they're giving. You don't have to agree, but to refuse to acknowledge it's personal preference and not The One True Way IS most certainly screaming WRONGFUN! WRONGFUN!

ETA: And just so we're perfectly clear, I don't actually think I'd ever play a game that took all social skills out in the first place. It doesn't sound fun to me to not have them. But I'm capable of acknowledging that it's my preference and not some universal truth.