Posts made by Sunny

I buy both physical copies and pdfs of the things I am actively playing, usually -- one goes on the tablet for me, the other goes on the table for my gaming group.

I only buy things I plan on running/playing tabletop-wise (online or off, I do both) and do not purchase books in any fashion for general mushing any longer (and probably won't ever again). If I am not interested enough in an RPG to run it or play it in a tabletop form, I'm not gonna be interested in playing it on a mush anyway.

Mind, I end up buying LOTS of books. -.- If something is interesting and recommended to me, particularly new tabletop games with something cool to bring to the table, I'll buy it with the intention of seeing if my tabletop group likes it. In this case, I'll buy the hardcopy generally. If it ends up being A Thing We Play more than a time or three, then I'll grab the pdf too.

I pretty much don't/won't play games that require eleventy billion sourcebooks any more, in any aspect of things. If I did decide to go back and play WoD (of a form that I don't already own the books for), I don't think I'd buy more than the core book, even with all the splats available. I also wouldn't pirate them.

SOMETIMES I will borrow a pdf from someone who does own it, but I cannot think of a time in the last couple of years when a PDF was shared with me that I did not then go out and buy the book within a month or so (if it was something I ended up using).

@lithium Augh, I want to see somebody use him as a PB because I want to RP with that character. Soooo much 'character' there.

@faraday I'm the one who said lazy, because I don't think time's much of a factor any more. I'm too lazy for a LOT of things. Pretty sure most people are. I'm too lazy to learn how to bake bread. This isn't a problem, until I say that I don't want to use a bread maker OR an oven, and that's why I can't learn to make bread.

@ganymede It takes a LOT less time than it used to. If you prioritized it, you would have time. Lack of desire to prioritize it is not a problem or flaw or a bad thing. But it's part of the whole reason that it's so awesome to see these things switching over: it takes WAY less time these days to learn this stuff.

@faraday I honestly don't think 'time' is a factor in learning to code any more, either. Not with these new languages. If somebody has time to mush, they have time to devote the couple of hours every week to make the progress in learning. 'Don't want to' is a perfectly valid reason to not do it, but it's not a problem that can be solved in any way by language choice or anything else.

Yeaaaah, there's no fix for 'I don't wanna'. It's not a problem with a solution possible.

@RnMissionRun your point may have been that, but then you should have said THAT, and not that you don't believe that it will make much of a difference. It will make a HUGE difference, just not for lazy people.

@rnmissionrun said in Alternative Formats to MU:

@sunny said in Alternative Formats to MU:

@rnmissionrun said in Alternative Formats to MU:

I honestly do not think that simply moving from MUSHcode to Python (or Ruby) will make it 'orders of magnitude' easier.

https://codecombat.com

This exists for learning Python. I have used it to teach teenagers, and I do not code. This truly is orders of magnitude easier than how we had to learn to use mushcode. This isn't even considering the fact that I can literally go take a class from a professional instructor, do a coding boot camp, buy any number of hundreds of books, watch instruction videos on youtube...and I could continue going on listing ways to learn, NONE of which exist for mushcode.

Motivated learner, apparently with the aptitude for programming and with access to quality instruction tools. Results not typical

How on earth is it HARDER than learning mush code?

@rnmissionrun said in Alternative Formats to MU:

I honestly do not think that simply moving from MUSHcode to Python (or Ruby) will make it 'orders of magnitude' easier.

https://codecombat.com

This exists for learning Python. I have used it to teach teenagers, and I do not code. This truly is orders of magnitude easier than how we had to learn to use mushcode. This isn't even considering the fact that I can literally go take a class from a professional instructor, do a coding boot camp, buy any number of hundreds of books, watch instruction videos on youtube...and I could continue going on listing ways to learn, NONE of which exist for mushcode.

@ganymede How is that related to her point?

@faraday said in Alternative Formats to MU:

@sunny said in Alternative Formats to MU:

I don't think anyone here except you is calling not-mushes mushes.

Ares is AresMUSH. It's a MUSH because from a player's POV it has all the same basic functionality as PennMUSH and I didn't want to scare people off because "ZOMG IT'S NOT A MUSH". Also, I like the name.

Okay, my bad!

@lotherio

I don't think anyone here except you is calling not-mushes mushes. MU* has been a long-term abbreviation that includes everything from MUSH to MUD to Ares, because MU is 'multi-user' and * is a wildcard. Pretty sure all of the platforms being discussed are MU*s.

@lotherio

I don't understand what you're trying to get at. How do you expect to get a stat system to work on a game of ANY TYPE on a computer without code being involved? Are you talking about something like Roll20 where all the books and stuff are pre-programmed in, or what? Like, okay, you don't want to code, how does a game runner make things so they can be used by a computer?

@Ganymede

I have not had the experience that you have had on games in recent history. I actually left a game recently with the leading cause of my problem being specifically linked to their restrictive build policies and the impact those policies have had on their game. Having a quota disabled does not necessarily mean building/creating is disabled, either. A lot of games disable the ability to create, but we are not creating new platforms that don't include the ability, which is the point that was brought forward that I was stating was incorrect.

@lotherio said in Alternative Formats to MU:

I, personally, would love the ability for players to be able to add to the game, even if just rooms, or an object that alters the desc if they want. And yes, if you played on Fifth Kingdom over the summer, you had a quota of 20 (alas, no one checks their build quota or knows about it is my guess). Its being lost, I just think we're moving away from MU and into something newer.

Er, Arx allows for building rooms and objects and the like, as well. It's absolutely not being lost? Both Ares and Evennia (new platforms) have the ability to do this (and the flagship games for both do it), so I'm not sure what you're basing this on. I mean you're factually incorrect here.

I hate Kaiser and I hate managed care and I think doctors who basically say 'dunno, not my problem' should be inflicted with the symptoms they're blowing off. This whole thing is a nightmare and I seriously don't know what to do about it or how to manage. I feel like they're going to finally figure out what's wrong with me when they do the autopsy. -.-

@auspice Because parents are told again and again and again that their kid will probably grow out of it, that it's one of those things kids grow out of, etc.. Not that they always do, but that's why that particular meme exists.

Sorry you're having a hard time with it.

Thank you for everything you've done for the mushing community and hosting soooooo many games. Your time, effort, expenses, and everything else you've put into it all has been appreciated. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.

Any system that requires subjective interpretation on a consistent basis throughout it for a non-consent game.

Any mechanic that involves more than a single modifier to rolls.

Any mechanic so complex that most folks still have to have the books after a month of play because god we have to look up how it works every single damn time.

@roz And now, me too. THANKS.

Yeah, I miss the genuine biome creation weather code, too. But the amount of work involved for the payout offered just doesn't add up. Kieran's system was a beautiful, beautiful nightmare. Even configuring it "right" was insane.

It is absolutely possible to do the 'pull from RL weather site' thing, at least with Rhost. Idk about the other codebases.

I didn't say @derp. I didn't even direct it at his comment. He's absolutely not the only one that was commenting! It was a general ask of the whole group of folks that were talking back and forth, because there's a politics section and this isn't it.

ETA: Was there really any reason to be mean about it? I sure as hell wasn't.