One of my favourite book series ever. If I have time, I'd be interested should anyone do this.

I would play a Star Trek MU, especially if in the newly envisioned universe. I would also play a GotG themed Marvel game.

As to the idea of a pay to play MU?

Fuck that. Fuck that so much.

It seems half of the time I play a game, there are elements of staff and other players who cannot be expected to be ethical for free. The one saving grace that makes me eyeroll INSTEAD of getting angry at them for being unethical cunts is that it's free. It's not as if I was paying for a service and they took my money, pulled unethical OOC bullshit, and ran. I would say easily a third of the people who run MUs shouldn't be trusted with simple, free, fair ethics, let alone anything resembling monetary transactions.

Point in case: Zero from New Jedi Order was taking PayPal "donations" to boost people's characters, run scenes for them, etc. Like a pay to play mmorpg environment. The end result is people complained about paying for things and never receiving them, and his lack of grace turned to a lot of badmouthing his critics.

So. Yeah. Let's never change the landscape of this corner of the hobby from "for us by us" to "money making venture".

@Thenomain said in Necessary tools for running plots as a non-staff player?:

@Griatch said in Necessary tools for running plots as a non-staff player?:

@Apos said in Necessary tools for running plots as a non-staff player?:

@Arkandel Yeah I agree 100%, I mean if a tool is too complicated then at best it won't be used, at worst it'll discourage people from not even trying to PRP since it'd turn them off from it.

It sounds like a prime candidate for using EvMenu actually.
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Do you have any links to same? Thanks.

Yes, sorry - EvMenu is the name of Evennia's in-game menu builder tool: https://github.com/evennia/evennia/wiki/EvMenu . People use it for everything from NPC communication trees to character generation, custom login menus and other in-game interfaces.
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II see it as more a player habit as you pointed out, though I could see some games poising the players mind towards focusing on configuration of powers with many options.

From what I've seen two things can kill a game: stagnation and changing too quick. Before I get into that I will say I'm a big fan of games where the story ends. I'd like a game where the game has a metaplot that has some sort of endgame from the beginning, whether it's "seasons" or a different phase, I'm a big fan of games like that.

Changing too fast: There was a DnD game called Treyvan. It was fairly successful, had a good number of players, active plots, etc. Then one day staff announced they were changing the theme, nobody could keep their characters. Basically, it was a different game. Treyvan died.

It changed too fast and players weren't ready for it.

Stagnation: Wanna know what will make me log out and never return? A stagnant game. If I log in, a game has a good number of players, healthy ooc chatter, but an empty grid or I find myself paging people to rp and everybody is like "nah I'm good" goes back to idling. I'm out!

Games can get stuck in a rut if they've been running for a while. The Mu I'm playing right now has been around for 20 years. I've seen people say it's dying or its stagnant. In a lot of ways it is, but they're changing it just enough where they're maintaining a playerbase. Story wise it's pretty much the same game though. The difference is there is a large number of stories you can tell in the setting.

I think someone said listening to players is useful in knowing what should be added or subtracted from a game. But I'd take it a step further and look for feedback from newer players since that's what you want, newer players coming in and adding their stories. What's keeping them? What's scaring them off? What can be done to keep that balance of keeping players and adding new ones?

@BetterNow That's actually a good idea. I might steal it. 🙂

@ThatOneDude said in Mostly Mage, Partially Descent Mux:

Wait... I thought MAGES were the overpowered ones that are game destroying and world ending... Are you telling me this whole time in 2e it was WEREWOLVES!?

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No. It was the Nocktuku this whole time!

Also, can I play my shaman at this place? Because, you know, aliens.

@ThatGuyThere http://theonyxpath.com/now-available-condition-cards-aplenty/

Thanks for recommendations so far!

As a point of clarification:

I was super tired when I wrote this and didn't quite parse that putting Olde in front of WoD would declare that I'm only interested in OWoD games. I'm in interested in both! Actually, I quite like MtA (haven't looked at what's going on with the 2nd ed changes) but am wary of Mage game OOC interpersonal dynamics.

So either Old or New WoD, I'm interested in both.

@surreality said in Making a MU* of your own:

I don't think I'd, personally, drag a bunch of people into something and do the MUX equivalent of the old movie classic of, "Hey, guys, let's put on a show!"

This hat I'm eating, it's positively full of crow.

For what it's worth, I'm tinkering with something similar to the 'player login + other' idea. It involves multiple logins rather than puppets -- mostly since puppets can get hairy in MUX and people tend to be somewhat distrustful of them due to a history of spying with them -- but I like this idea. (A friend of mine and I had considered a multi-setting game, though it's stalled out for the moment while I hash out system and policy and code and such crap on my own for the next, uh, year or so.)

We're looking at some fairly different stuff regarding the player login concept if it's any help; I can pass along the notes if you like, though it's rough enough that it's not 'ready for prime time' here.

I'm a fan of Mudlet, and it meets all of my needs for all kinds of MU's

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I'm not sure it's possible to keep a thread on topic around here, no worries. 😉

We are going full 2e! So far as I know. 1e tastes like burning.

Post-Praxis ruining event, the Nosferatu will have fared best thanks to the Catacombs! There will also be racial tensions, or will have been pre-event, due to heavy Carthian involvement with Northern African immigrants and encouraging of the various student, immigrant and wage slave protests of recent years in Paris.

It's not all peace, love and smooches in the City of Light, it's been a simmering hotbed of tension for awhile now and we'd like to capture that (or, we are capturing that in the news files we've written so far) since we're both news/history junkies.

@surreality I could see an alt limit of one per region in a game of the style you're thinking of. It would probably actually reduce the amount of freezing-switching as people didn't feel they needed to shelve alts to participate in different RP, if the areas are going to be distinct and difficult to interact with aside from that.

Sometimes things don't get run because they aren't allowed to staff in the sphere they enjoy most so they never want to be staff, which can lead to nothing happening because you might have someone who is in a staff position as a stop gap. So that can be staff limiting players in that way.

And I say again, if you can't trust a person to not cheat as staff, you can't trust them to be staff in the first place.

@surreality said in What themes and subjects do you look for in a game?:

@Coin Thank you! You know I ❤ you, but it's in like ALL THE THREADS lately... and seems to turn people away from universal contributions once it seems all WoD-centric. 😕

I'll help turn it back by responding to @Coin's comment (ie It will all be N edition soon, prior edition no longer accepted).

I think that creates a hard line, another reason I'm not a fan of cannon source (movie- book-verse)/game material (specific rpg). I just spent some ducats (cause I'm Roman, not cause I'm gangster) on N edition books for a good read, but its a year or two later and the new books are billed as N.N edition. I don't want to spend more money to play the game. I don't want to wade through the virus infested swamp that is 4share or some other file share on-line. The kind folks that love that specific game or cannon have taken the their valuable time to enjoy all the books or supplements and decide which is the most fun for their game, but then I have to look through the list to make sure I have the sources material specific to what I want to play or just not play it.

10 pages of wiki for original theme (which is light for some places we can agree) is a lot less reading I have to do to get into something.

Now, I do agree with @Arkandel, I don't want to read all that original theme to discover I'm onto some personal meta by the staff which is really running through the course of some unplanned book they want to write and everyone is just some pawn in the course of them revealing that story to the audience, which is the 10 people remaining on the game after a year who have all been promoted to staff.

This gets into other realms I've brought up, how much needs to be meta versus free form. Any grand meta sets the life of a Mu* to the extent of this great arch, even if it includes dozens of people, there is an end. Any lack of meta means lack of long term interest too. As it comes up a lot and a few WoD have run the course lately of being active with >dozen folks for multiple years running. The old standard when places ran for 5-10 years, just cause we thought they'd never close and the purpose was to stay open forever (SW1 is still running around, bless their soles).

I prefer original theme cause recurring genre like WoD is just a rehash of stories already told it seems. Its white washed and run again. Didn't @Thenomain just comment in another thread, if you have a great game running that eventually 'dies', just white wash it and run again with new name. I don't want it white washed, I want it painted. System doesn't matter, say its historical western. Don't say its small town Colorado again in 1868, the last frontier. Move it to 1842 New Mexico pre Mexican-American War. Do something new. WoD, don't just move city and let it be similar stories. I just want something original. That and a mix of adventure, where I know what the adventure is that I can do on a personal level because I'm never on when staff are around, with social between the adventure bread so I can mix peanut butter and jelly all I want.

A new patch was finished earlier, written with 1.8.6p0 compatibility.

https://github.com/pennmush/pennmush/issues/410#issuecomment-231619832

Instructions are at the top of the patch. It grants native support for the main commands of MUX channels and such (as noted at the top of the patch).