@Ganymede

Not even close.

Vault Hunters:

Taking place on Pandora, players are all visiting vault hunters, looking to make their mark and get their fortune.

They soon find out it is a hellish nightmare world where New You(I know New You isn't canon, but I think the setting works better where it is) technology means nobody actually dies, and eventually devolve into savagery.

I think the WoD system might work for this, or some other one that's better at run n gun PrPs with a similar system to the Vampire humanity scores being used. You might die, but you're re-digitized at a nearby station, as are all those mooks you've killed. Fortunately, once someone loses all their humanity, their ability to learn and remember doesn't go past a trip through New You. If a PC loses all their humanity, the effectively become static NPCs.

Everything is a Remix.

Brainstorming: I imagine that, were such a game to exist, setting it in the middle of the Harada / Rising Spirit conflict (the "Harbinger Wars") would give people the opportunity to create characters with easy organizational connections as well as easily identifiable antagonistic relationships.

@Ganymede said in +wantrp Command Suggestion:

Finally, the shy player. Making new code is not going to suddenly change how that player feels about reaching out to others. It is difficult; it can be painfully difficult; and I do not mean to belittle them. That said, I do not see how new code is going to help them, especially if the target player ignores them. They might think: 'well, I sent them something that reminds them constantly that I'd like to RP with them and yet they are still ignoring me.' The unintended consequence of making a player feel even more insignificant is substantial, in my opinion.

+100 for this. Introverted people are probably the least likely to use such a system. (And I say this as an extreme introvert.) I have a hard enough time paging someone to ask for a scene, let alone imposing myself upon a virtual "TODO" list.

Sniff. Of course it would be on a Friday.

@Cupcake said in Places to RP:

@thebird I'd suggest starting with Baker Street. It's an RP Meme community and a good way to get started. There are story based communities as well. Be advised a lot of the memes on Baker Street have a sexual or romantic element to them, but plenty of them don't. Also, Dreamwidth RP tends to focus on "feature characters" from media and pop culture, rather than original creations, though those are out there too. Good luck!

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For the record we ran the scene... 8 people there, it ran pretty smoothly I think. No alt-related issues so far that I've noticed, either.

Now let's see if people take the initiative and go out to roleplay about it across sphere boundaries. 🙂

@Kanye-Qwest
Again, that's part of my 'COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER' hope/mandate/hammer to the forehead. I don't want to ban topics (I've already been round the bend twice with the MES and their recent 'you can't have <X> topics as a backstory/thing to play out' policy that came about because, well, the MES is a joke and won't eject people who are PROVEN to be crazy), especially if people are comfortable with them. And I don't want it to be a way to get out of consequences for things like, say, attempting to assassinate the leader of the city's supernaturals or the mayor or being a moron and getting the police on a manhunt for a murderer.

But if Player A says 'I'm a monster, I want to <X> to your character for <Y> reason' and player B says 'I'm game' then that's consenting after communication, and you have communicated per my personal 'cooperative non-consent' game policy/ideals. Conversely, if player B says 'I'm not comfortable with that, <Z> is a better out come for me' then that's fine too. And in both cases, if Player B says 'I don't really want to RP it out, it's fine to DO but let's FTB because... well, I can deal with the aftermath but I squick writing it' or whatever, then that's fine too.

But if Player A is told no and player A continues with that shit, that's where staff should come in. As far as your experience with the rape plotlines, I haven't had any experience with that personally. I've done the whole capturing, torturing, murdering stuff but I don't enjoy sexual RP. I have heard about things, so we'll see how things go on my game. I'm talking about policies from my own personal standpoint, so YMMV.

@Thenomain and @Sunny
Hence why I brought it up. I feel that it's something that HAS to be adhered to, simply because someone may be cool with the OUTCOME, but... it doesn't have to be 'on screen' for lack of a better term.

@Apos said in Social Conflict via Stats:

But on the other hand, what about something mostly invisible? A game has a social system that two people in a private scene use, one things it gives authority over another character, the other person is super creeped out but still feels that they would be the bad guy if they don't play along, it leaves a bad taste in their mouth, they log off and never come back, and staff never knows what happens, and the person that even did it probably doesn't even know. Those are the very problematic systems.

But it's not the intent here that I'm disputing. Of course the reason people who want more draconian checks and greater oversight on social rolls are doing it to hinder bad guys. What I'm saying is it doesn't work, and the act of trying to limit these things simply penalizes the good guys.

Look at the worst offenders we've had in our community, the big names, what did they use? Exactly what you mentioned, the insinuation saying 'no' would mean they are doing something wrong. They accomplished that through pages, cherry-picking book passages ("look, Mind 4 means you gobble down that panther dick, it's the rules"), abusing staff connections ("can you prove 100% you were told to gobble down panther dick? No? Liar.") and so on.

In the mean time social attributes in general are barely being used in practice. Sometimes I see social powers, perhaps in certain +jobs for investigations, but their usefulness truly pales compared to their physical equivalents, and part of that is people - reasonable, well-meaning players - are already pretty self-conscious about 'forcing' others to do things, it's being seen as a form of PvP and not creative collaboration using dice to settle outcomes.

That's the real challenge here, I think; the real hurdle isn't to prevent assholes from being themselves because they already have every tool at their disposal to do so. The hard part is to somehow lift the collective cultural taboo we have in employing social rolls in even non-drastic ways (lying/detecting lies, trying to get someone to keep talking and reveal secrets, measure the impact of someone's stern admonishment) during everyday social scenes.

If we go too far in the former direction we'll harm the other too much, IMHO. A system people won't use might as well not exist.

@GentlemanJack Probably. The space system was real-time for driving about but any vessel could pause local space and everybody would be frozen where they were in the space map. Which would allow the gm to incriment rounds for positioning with all the d6 space rules available through the actual ship objects. Really neat for setup possibilities.

Dunno if that was Dahan or not but I feel like it wasn't.

An odd case of reverse PoGo is when people stare at players these days. "You are STILL playing that?"

Yes, the game you played six weeks ago is still being played. Just because you stopped playing it doesn't mean it's no longer any good for anyone else.

@Bobotron I otherwise really like oWoD Werewolf. The one thing I don't is the same as its 2.0 equivalent; it's very dependent on having plots available. The whole game is dependent on PvE conflict for everything, from character advancement to its basic theme, but someone needs to run the bad guys.

And that's a premium resource on MU*.

@Meg said in Harassment in VR, there's something we can likely learn from this.:

@Thenomain

Eagerly awaiting the ending. You have us all in suspense.

This web site is horrible on the iPad. I tried very hard to cancel the post, but I guess it went on without me.

Now I can't remember what I was going to say. I think it was essentially an extended "me too" which is why I canceled the post.

I guess I can understand people not wanting to deal with it; I on the other hand often love to constantly tweak my wiki.

I also note that learning to deal with wikis has helped me with my HTML and wiki formatting skills, as well as learning different types of formatting for different wikis. These can be framed as marketable skills to pad a resume, even if only at lower administrative levels to make one look impressive.

@tragedyjones said in What would you want in a Shadowrun game?:

Double Post: Would people be willing to play on a game that used the Wiki for their character sheet and CG process, rather than the game client itself?

In terms of doing an application process all on-wiki? I'd love it.

In terms of not having an actual sheet on my bit on the game? I would not love that.

Generally, I kind of hate the old themes of Classic WoD, with a few exceptions. Vampire is okay and I actually don't hate on Mage, alone. But Werewolf is something I will never be able to go back too.

That said, never mix the themes. It'd be shit.

I'm familiar with Everway as well.

@derp No one said that at all. Limiting the discussion completely down to the attraction of "unexpected results", do you have a comment, insight, idea, or question?

@Jennkryst said in Would a meta-shadowrun game be fun?:

@ThatGuyThere Does Chummer for 5e work for the Karma/Lifepath build? Or is it just Priority? We hates the Priority rules, worse than we hates the hobbitses!!

Last I looked at it it was just Priority rules but that was also before the life path stuff was published. Have not played a Shadow run table top since then so have not looked to see if they have added an option for that since it has been published.

Just as a general note, there's still a couple of things in here that I haven't answered yet -- but did notice and am thinking about. (The 'underdogs' one in particular; that's a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng answer with a bunch of stuff I think is worth the time to give in full, a lot of it open-ended enough that there's some input very desired there, and time's been super limited because...)

...we're heading out for a 24 hour drive in a little while to the (oh so fucking needed omg) yearly vacation. I have no laptop, so, uh. While I may be able to check in from the tablet, my finger-typing-fu is the ultimate in weaksauce. (No, really, I just got my first mobile phone on Friday, y'all, this is going to be funny as fuck, feel laugh at me and know you are laughing with me here at the same time. ❤ ) So please don't think I'm ignoring questions or concerns -- I'm just way less connected than usual for the next two weeks.