Posts made by Coin

@Ganymede said:

@Coin said:

The "get laid" example, also, has reasoning. Did your character just break up with someone and their friends convince them that the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else? Then "get laid" is an excellent Aspiration. It furthers character progression. But if the character runs around getting laid all the time, then it's worthless, there's no progression, no reason for it to be an Aspiration.

Precisely.

I had such as aspiration, but it was "get laid by <X>." Wanting to lay up a particular person seems to be the epitome of a "short-term aspiration."

Unless it's a different person every week, at which point, it's really not worth an aspiration. But yeah.

this is because the book and the writers of the book assume that it's understood that each Aspiration, even short-term ones, are supposed to further the character's progression.

For example, "get in a fight" can be an Aspiration. But why? Is it just to get in a fight? Is this something your character does all the time? If it is, then it shouldn't be an Aspiration. It's commonplace.

But if your character is someone who's never been in a fight and the player wants a reason for the character to get better at physical confrontation, then "get in a fight" is an excellent Aspiration: because it will lead to further characterization.

The "get laid" example, also, has reasoning. Did your character just break up with someone and their friends convince them that the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else? Then "get laid" is an excellent Aspiration. It furthers character progression. But if the character runs around getting laid all the time, then it's worthless, there's no progression, no reason for it to be an Aspiration.

"Go partying". Is the character a shut-in that needs to get out more or that might benefit--characterization-wise from being outside of their element? Good. Is the character a weekly rave-a-holic? Bad.

Context is king in Aspirations and treating them with binary judgment is ill-advised.

@ShelBeast said:

I'll say that I've been on Reno for almost a year or so now, and my sheet looks nowhere NEAR that example, at 2xp a week. My character is strong, but there's simply no way that I could have afforded to buy as much as the sheet presented had. Is this showing the effects of the 2XP for PRPS a week, in addition to the 2xp a week flat base? Otherwise I'm inclined to call shenanigans.

You can call all the shenanigans you want, but @surreality actually went through all the characters at one point and did the rartio math of percentage regarding how much of each character's XP was from autofgains and how much from PRPs, and the latter was a pittance compared to the former in even the most active of people.

Regardless, it's simple math. If the accepted conversion rate of Xp from nWoD to CofD is about 5:1 XP, then 2 experience every week amount to 104 experience per year, which multiplied by 5 nets you 520 nWoD XP. Depending on how you spend it, this makes CofD experiences much more valuable, too. For example, the higher you go on a single Merit, the more you're economizing, whereas if you have a lot of low-level Merits, you're not getting as much bang for your buck as with the older XP system.

In any case, I'm sure @surreality has her math tucked away on a spreadsheet somewhere. We'll wait.

One thing I've come to consider is that maybe XP from being a storyteller should be more. And yes, of course people will complain, "how come the storyteller gets more XP than the players".

But, put bluntly, storytellers have the more demanding role, frankly. And yes, yes, of course there are horrible storytellers who do horrible things and omg, worstplotevarzzzzzzzzz.

But frankly, if people respond to XP-as-reward, then why the fuck not? More stories can't be a bad thing.

i do think my decision to make the XP you got from running stuff on a separate XP track was a good idea. One of my better ones, IMO. Separating "player xp" from "character xp" is just a very simple solution to an otherwise annoying problem.

In short: don't cap ST XP.

@Taika said:

Holy shit.

Eta: Any suggestions on slowing growth, then?

On Eldritch the plan I had was gaining 2 xp/week for the first six months, then 1/week for the second six months, then 3 beats/week the third six months, then 1 beat/week from then on.

You still get a powerful character, but you don't continue at a breakneck pace, and the older the character gets, the more the player has to actually be active for experience.

2xp/week, flat rate.

This is too much. I'll let @surreality explain why.

@Kanye-Qwest said:

@Sammi said:

@Kanye-Qwest said:

LOL you mad, though?

I realize that in your world you might think that people offer assistance with no expectation of gain when they're angry and that loquacity and criticism are indications of wrath. You have also stated your belief that only OOC communication (and not lack of communication) is a cause of people getting irritated with you (which is patently false). Quoting for relevance:

@Kanye-Qwest said:

All done with no OOC communication, so there's nothing to take personally.

Frankly, you shouldn't trust any of your intuitions. People don't behave the way you think they do, so stop making any assumptions and you'll fare a lot better.

I'm done trying to help you socialize better. Go off and annoy people in public places and then get all confused and huffy when they don't take kindly to it.

Thanks for the permission, bitch.

Classier.

@Sammi said:

@Coin said:

i'm pretty sure the first command (the template setting one) is wrong. Might wanna fix that, whoever's page that is, since the rest will not work without that.

That's my page, and it's right. Check out +help chargen and stat template, and you'll see that the first thing you type in is "stat/template human".

Well, I was working from memory, because I used it and it didn't work. If you fixed it, good.

@Sammi said:

@Kanye-Qwest said:

Darn. Well, sort of darn. I can't re-use the character template I made the last time I struggled my simple ass through WoD cg.

This is one of the occasions where, if you ask nicely, other people might be willing to give you what you need, but if you don't ask and just complain about not being given everything, they'll probably help you out anyway while resenting you, because people are just bitches like that.

i'm pretty sure the first command (the template setting one) is wrong. Might wanna fix that, whoever's page that is, since the rest will not work without that.

@Kanye-Qwest said:

@Sammi said:

Here's an experiment: try asking first. I think you'll find more people willing to accommodate you if you give them some warning. Say, "Hey, I'd like to join your scene, but I'm really bad at giving reasons for people to include me, so would you mind making an excuse to allow me to RP with you?"

Now you're just being a bitch.

Classy.

@Kanye-Qwest said:

@Coin

You think it is necessary for people to ask your permission to rp around/at you in public, and I'm uncompromising?

Actually, I was referring to:

if you don't get into OOC discussions when it isn't necessary.

Because what is and isn't necessary isn't solely within your purview of preference.

I might not prefer you just drop in on my scene. You would rather be able to drop in on any scene. You asking if it's okay to drop in on my scene is a compromise, because it's a middle ground between two preferences. I can deal with you paging me and going, "Hey, can I drop in?" And more often than not, I'd probably say yes. You, apparently, can't deal with asking a question OOC because it infringes on your desire for realism... I guess.

In before: "better to ask forgiveness than permission"--this is a stupid addage worthy only of people who are going to give shallow apologies for doing whatever they want without regards for consequences and/or people who procrastinated so much that they knew if they asked first they may get in as much, if not more, trouble than if it's wrong.

@Kanye-Qwest said:

@Coin

I am all for people getting up and leaving a public place if they want to go have a private scene, I just don't see why it can't be handled IC.

And you're right, it can definitely interrupt the vibe of a conversation to include the jackass who just walked in and started eating off the floor. In which case, cast the jackass a disdaining glance and ignore them like the nuisance they are. Just again, do it IC.

All manner of silly arguments about intentions and ooc tone and on and on and on are avoided if you don't get into OOC discussions when it isn't necessary.

The problem is that they are necessary, from other people's point of view, and you're dismissing that because it doesn't conform to yours. It would be like me saying: "Yeah, well, I don't care about your need for realism, and you should always discuss things OOC with me first because that's what I enjoy and how I like it".

Predictable outcome: we don't RP together. Except your way makes me have to deal with you dropping into my scene because you felt like it.

See what I mean when I say you don't show signs of compromise?

@Kanye-Qwest said:

This is what I mean by organic. If two characters are in a public place, having a public scene, anyone there can join, or comment on what's going on, whatever. Just like in real life, there are rude and polite ways to insert yourself in a conversation/situation.

Also just like in life (I prefer RP that strives for some level of realism in interpersonal interaction) if you are in a public place and a discussion suddenly turns private, you don't teleport to a broom closet or carry on like you're IN a broom closet, getting angry at those who intrude. You get up, make an excuse, and leave. Or delay the Omg Private moment until later.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't like paging people to ask if it's ok to join them, and I don't like the ooc room discussion that devolves into "oh so sorry! Smileyface smileyface smileyface." and "I'll just ignore this and we'll time stop and pretend we never came in here and you didn't see us ok?" I don't mind a quick ooc 'cool to join in?' just for the sake of being polite, but I think if you are in an IC hangout and you are roleplaying, that's a public scene and anyone can participate.

The thing about this is that you don't seem open to compromise.

You don't like paging people to ask if you can join them, but you also don't like people getting up and walking out if you join a scene that had, previously, turned quite private and that they evidently don't feel like including someone else--potentially a stranger--in. The dynamic flow of the narrative is important to consider, too. Sometimes the scene loses its spark if a person has to deal with someone else interceding, and to me that's more important than your desire for "realism".

Asking if you can join is a compromise: you're reminding them they're in public, but you're respecting their scene and their roleplay.

I always page before crashing a scene. This obviously doesn't apply to @mietze's anecdote, since she didn't know anyone was in there. The only times I don't are if someone invites me, if it's friends OOC and IC and it's a common space (and they're people who don't mind telling me to fuck off) or... if it's my character's home/place of business. If it's that last one, well... I'm gonna be there whether you like it or not.

@Insomnia said:

Do you have a parent or grandparent who watches TV? Are you thinking of buying them a new TV as a gift? Will that TV have more computing power than what was used to send people to space? If you answered yes to two or more of these questions stop fucking buying smart tvs for old people!

And if you still have to buy them a TV, leave them a manual and make sure you go through the instructions with them. Leave them notes. A TV is like a baby, you don't just drop it off and forget about it.

People have been doing this with babies forever. Bad analogy.

@Thenomain said:

@Coin said:

@tragedyjones said:

Woohoo

Most unenthusiastic textual manifestation of "woohoo-ing" ever.

Your mom is an unenthusiastic textual manifestation of "woohoo-ing".

Eh. Probably.

@tragedyjones said:

If I can help anyone with anything at all in regards to BITN, give me a holler.

I am the big 4 armed sun god.

You know what they say about guys with four arms...