Posts made by Hella

@Sunny

Three Oaks is quite literally right next door to the Dunlin House, on the opposite side of Cati's place. In the last six months or so, it's gone from a wreck to a rather beautiful manor house; the stated intention was to renovate and repair, and it looks like they've really achieved it. It's reasonably well known throughout the family that Lili manages a rather ginormous household of people, some of whom are family but most of them are not. Catching her at home, not a for sure thing, but tonight she is here, lounging around in front of the television watching some mindless home improvement show.

There is a knock of the door, the sound hopefully loud enough to carry to the lady of the manor. Lara waits on the other side of the door, bundled up like a goth in winter. In one black-gloved hand is a bottle of bourbon, dangling absently as the eyeliner-loving Lara waits to be admitted.

Rolling her eyes, Lili lifts her head and looks, like she expects whoever it is to just open the door and walk in. When that doesn't happen she -- completely without an audience, mind -- exhales an over the top melodramatic sigh, dragging herself over to tug it open. She's wearing black fleece pants and a pale yellow t-shirt, her hair a little bit ruffled. Still, she pulls it off well. There's a moment of staring when she sees Lara on the other side of the open door, and then she's stepping back and waving a hand in invitation. "Hey," she greets. "Come on in, it's cold. What's up?" Weary, those words.

"Peace offering," Lara says without any pre-amble, extending the bottle of bourbon out as she steps forward and into the beautiful manorhouse, a sheepish look gracing the delicate slant of her rosy cheekbones. "For Thanksgiving. I didn't mean to ruin it." She gives a shiver, acclimatizing in the warmth of the house, her green-eyed gaze sweeping first Soleil, and then the foyer. "This place is beautiful. So much better than it was."

"Oh," Lili answers, taking the bottle and glancing at it, then back up. The door is closed, and she's turning to pad over in the direction of the bar. "Thank you. You didn't ruin it, though. Not by yourself, at least. Did Catriona get a bottle of bourbon, as well?" She slips behind the bar, finding an appropriate spot for the bottle on the shelves there. "At least it was just arguing, rather than -- other insanity. There were no zombies, nobody tried to burn the house down, nobody got shot or even shot at. Pretty mild family holiday, all told."

Lara's very pale brows shoot up high on her forehead, both soaring there like wings for a long moment. "Zombies are fairly common around these parts?" she queries, watching the woman as she moves away, eyes tracking, possibly faint with approval. "As for Catriona getting a bottle... not sure I'm sorry to her, yet. That's why I'm here, aside from apologizing to you, since you were hostess. I'd like to try and understand why she went off the handle. I heard she's had a rough time lately?" Her fingers toy with the zipper of the puffy black coat idly, eyes staying on Soleil.

"Yes," Lili replies mildly, glancing back at Laura for a moment before she gestures the woman further in. "You can hang your coat up in the closet there, mind the shotgun. Would you like a drink?" She turns back to the bar, setting about getting herself some juice and vodka poured. "Her fiance cheated on her, they broke it off at the altar. Amongst other things. And she went off like she did because people were ganging up on her."

'Mind the shotgun' Lara mouths with a wry, friendly smile as she finally unzips and slips out of the puffy coat. Underneath, there is just a lot of black leather and red satin. It's a dress, of sorts. The top is crimson satin corset, studded of course, the bottom is black leather, full length, covering the winter boots she slips out of. "She didn't know he was cheating on her till they got to the altar?" Lara queries in surprise. "That's in bad taste. Some men."

"No, I think she knew before, but it all came out at the altar," Lili answers, picking her drink up and heading back for the couch. Holmes on Homes is turned off, the remote set aside before she settles down to sit. "I don't really know what happened, but I do know it's been rough, and I do know I'm the last person you want to criticize her to if you're actually here to make peace. Cati isn't just my cousin, she's one of my best friends."

Lara holds up both hands like she's being robbed as she follows Soleil, foregoing the drink and settling down on the couch not far from the other Dunlin. "I was criticizing him, not her." She cocks her multi-coloured head, staring at Soleil with those cut-glass perceptive eyes. "I feel like you're determined not to like me. I promise, I'm not so bad. I was just defending my brother. I respect that you were defending Catriona." There's a smile that follows that, as Lara plaits her fingers together on the leather skirt covering her lap.

"And if I wasn't determined to not like you, accusing me of it is helpful how?" Lili asks, lifting her eyebrows lightly, her own expression one of simple calm. She shakes her head, takes another drink from her glass. "My objecting to your behavior at dinner the other night does not mean that I am determined to not like you. The issue I took with your actions towards Catriona would probably have not put me off of you as much as they did had you not spent the first half of dinner discussing Barnabas's penis after others had dropped the subject, which made me incredibly uncomfortable, and frankly made me want to claw your eyes out." It's all said entirely conversationally, like she's talking about snow in the Winter in Maine. What? Yes, of course there's snow.

Lara has that same look of calm-it must run in the family. "I spoke about my newest book, with a nympho vampire as the title character. Belle mentioned that Baranabas played one on television, though he stated he didn't. Catriona brought up Barnabas's penis to begin with, mentioning that he flashed it on an episode. I said nothing. Maddox brought it up again. I said 'Oh, well if you're offering'. And then I said nothing more on the subject." She stares at Soleil. "I have an eidetic memory. But, clearly it's got you upset, then, even if that's not what happened. I'm sorry."

<OOC> Lara says, "Sorry, took me a minute to review the log :)"

Which is when I reviewed the log to make sure I hadn't actually done what Soleil seemed to think Lara had IC at the aforementioned scene (I hadn't), was told by someone OOC what was happening (because apparently she had already started bad mouthing me to them), and then asked to peace out. It was a great second scene on a game I had just joined.

@Shlappy said in Kushiel's Debut:

@VulgarKitten Yet important enough to you still to bring up almost 2 years later...

To illustrate the hypocrisy here. For that, yep, it was important enough to bring up. I could have just said it was hypocrisy without providing an example but that seems kind of silly.

@ixokai said in Kushiel's Debut:

@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:

@Sunny said in Kushiel's Debut:

As for getting people involved on TR, there were plenty of people bitching because you (and the others) were doing the exact opposite.

That's great. I didn't make everybody happy, the way I did things didn't. The fact of the matter is that I put a great deal of effort into trying to include people. Seriously. Open-to-everyone scenes every other weekend covering Metaplot 101, then sharing any new information people had. Me plot-hoarding and being exclusive is literally the furthest thing from the truth. You can bitch all day about how it was a bad effort or that I should have done something else instead, but you seriously cannot truthfully say I excluded people. There was a total of one person that was, due to their IC behavior, ICly not allowed to come to the meetings. One.

Not the way it appeared to a group of us Dunlins who were excluded, despite asking to be included.

Sorry, got to say: everyone was invited to those metaplot spreading scenes. Everyone. I was there for at least half of them. (And my character was the one had to be reined in to keep them open)

Not the game-wide metaplot meetings. Those ones were open. The Dunlin Elder portion of it. There was side plot that none of us save the Dunlin Elders and their +1's were invited to. And for the record? I'm of the belief that not everyone can be in every plot. Boo hoo that we were excluded. Was it fun? No. Was it the end of the world and cause for storming off the MU in a huff? Nah.

@Sunny said in Kushiel's Debut:

@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:

You came at me in a scene

Er, no. Lara came over to Lili's house and got in her face. Lili reacted poorly. I said nothing about the OOC spat to anyone until I got paged by Stan asking me if I knew you were bitching to anyone with an ear. Then the same thing, from Barnabas. I told them both what really happened and kind of wigged out because the ooc shittalking was a bit surprising/uncomfortable making. When we were chatting after the fact I did apologize that Lili reacted in a way that you found not fun, because the character was raw. You didn't just politely ask to FTB, either. You got in my virtual face about how wrong Lili's reactions were and how bad I was because you didn't enjoy that type of RP. After instigating it.

Not even remotely true and I heard from Ross and Lucas and Tank and several others how you were bitching that I'd even dare to ask to FTB and tell you that I wasn't having fun playing the scene. 'Oh, and you probably shouldn't make any more joking comments about her ex-bf's dick in a scene because she's OOCly mad about that part. That's why she ICly freaked out on you'. Lara came over to Soleil's house and apologized, and you turned the scene into something vastly unpleasant because of OOC jealousy. So I asked (and it was very politely) to FTB.

Not the way it appeared to a group of us Dunlins who were excluded, despite asking to be included.

Bboard posts detailing when the scenes were, how people could get involved, and what people could do were on the bboard regularly. If there were specific things that people were being excluded from I can guarantee it was coming from Spider, not me. She was leaving me out of the big Dunlin stuff, too -- so I went off and played metaplot because whatever.

But you were involved with the Dunlin Elder stuff in a lot of ways. And you never fought for the rest of us to be involved. That's why this smacks of hypocrisy to me. You get all up in arms in this case, but back then it was 'oh, well, not everyone can be involved in everything'.

Is this all you've got?

Yes. Because what you're saying is seriously not even close to true.

@Sunny said in Kushiel's Debut:

@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:

Funny. A bunch of people said the same about you. Weird how that works. I think the exact phrasing was 'control freak with the tendency to bring IC to the OOC when it relates to relationships gone awry'. This particular situation (afaik) has nothing to do with that particular character trait. It seemed unnecessary to mention it but if you want to get into that kind of drama I can play.

Save that...this doesn't even have anything to do with the issue you and I had. Like. I think you're genuinely misremembering here. You came at me OOC because my character was an IC bitch about something. You had OOC issues with my PC's IC behavior and completely lost your shit.

You came at me in a scene about some relationship after I had literally just joined the game and had maybe two scenes total. I said to you (OOC) that I wasn't having fun in the scene, mind if we FTB? And then you went apeshit. I heard from a crazy number of people 'Oh man, you shouldn't have said that to her, she's running a campaign against you now OOC'. I remember it accurately enough. It was a great first impression. Later, when we were hatchet burying, you apologized over it and told me that you were 'just raw because of how things had worked out for you IC'. Skipping now to the stuff that's relevant here in this situation...

As for getting people involved on TR, there were plenty of people bitching because you (and the others) were doing the exact opposite.

That's great. I didn't make everybody happy, the way I did things didn't. The fact of the matter is that I put a great deal of effort into trying to include people. Seriously. Open-to-everyone scenes every other weekend covering Metaplot 101, then sharing any new information people had. Me plot-hoarding and being exclusive is literally the furthest thing from the truth. You can bitch all day about how it was a bad effort or that I should have done something else instead, but you seriously cannot truthfully say I excluded people. There was a total of one person that was, due to their IC behavior, ICly not allowed to come to the meetings. One.

Not the way it appeared to a group of us Dunlins who were excluded, despite asking to be included.

You left in a dramatic fashion because things weren't going your way, kind of like this situation. I remember you complaining to me about it, back when I thought we'd legit buried that hatchet.

Are you...just smoking crack? Do you seriously not remember this stuff and are just making things up to sound better? You're seriously going to...holy crap, woman. Do you have me mixed up with someone else in your head? I mean, I know you know I played Lili, but I think you're confusing Lili-stuff with other stuff. There's no other logical explanation here because you're so far off base.

Is this all you've got?

You were staff. You shared your grievances. This person was staff. They shared your grievances because your grievances were part of their grievances. It's the same thing.

Content and context are important. Period.

So I think we've made all the points and now this is just going in circles?

@ThatGuyThere said in Kushiel's Debut:

@VulgarKitten
Was this Elder Dunlin plot on the Reach something that had affected the entire game as the plot on KD certainly sounds to have done?

Yay. Something something binding a big bad something that Dunlin had bound and was going to end the world.

If not then yay you have made a false equivalency.
Also nice job of blaming Sunny for mentioning the FB thing rather then the person who actually made the comments on her FB.

Did you miss the part where this was here:

@VulgarKitten
As for the FB message? Not ideal, that much I'll grant.

@Sunny said in Kushiel's Debut:

@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:

I was excluded. Others were excluded. They can jump in if they want to. Whether you ran the Dunlin Elder plots or not, you were involved and didn't make the move to get others involved, certainly didn't bitch quite this hard (or at all) that others were being excluded. You weren't running this KD plot, but felt the need to criticize because folks weren't being included. Same hypocrisy.

I did LOTS to work at including other people. That you didn't like how I did it doesn't negate the fact that I did do it, that I did get people involved, that I did distribute information. The bulk of my RP for like 5 OOC months was spreading plot. Yes, people were excluded. Thus, why I did what I did. To include people. With staff and other player support. Was I successful in getting everyone involved? Nope, probably not. Was the ultimate reason I finally left because of Spider and her excluding people? Why yes, yes, it was. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I didn't bitch this hard. Seriously, your retelling of this doesn't match reality even a little bit. As far as the bitchfit goes, yeah, it was all you. I was told, essentially, that you were a crazy bitch and to just leave it alone, because you were so ineffective in your gossipy whisper campaign that nobody who'd had anything to do with me there would buy for two minutes what you were selling. Thus, I did, you dug your own hole, everyone was chill.

Funny. A bunch of people said the same about you. Weird how that works. I think the exact phrasing was 'control freak with the tendency to bring IC to the OOC when it relates to relationships gone awry'. This particular situation (afaik) has nothing to do with that particular character trait. It seemed unnecessary to mention it but if you want to get into that kind of drama I can play.
As for getting people involved on TR, there were plenty of people bitching because you (and the others) were doing the exact opposite.
You left in a dramatic fashion because things weren't going your way, kind of like this situation. I remember you complaining to me about it, back when I thought we'd legit buried that hatchet.

So essentially "I'm sorry but rather than actually being done, I'm going to drama anyway"?

Sure. If that's your take on it.

One is you (were you a staff member at the time? Seems like you were but correct me if I'm wrong) bitching to another player. The other is another staff member bitching to another player who went and did something else. They are the same thing, even if you sugar coat it. That the person you bitched to didn't go off and bitch to said person doesn't make your actions any different. Just theirs.

There's a significant difference between what one does in an official capacity and what one does privately. The context of the information being shared -- and the content of that information -- is important. I am acknowledging that I did complain. Yep.

You were staff. You shared your grievances. This person was staff. They shared your grievances because your grievances were part of their grievances. It's the same thing.

Super not kidding. Your response, though, is exactly what I'd expect from you.

@Sunny said in Kushiel's Debut:

Bwahahahaha. You're kidding, right?

@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:

This whole issue has been an exercise in hypocrisy. Entertaining as fuck and I'm glad I followed the thread, but also hypocritical.

@Sunny did this same thing to people over on The Reach. There were plenty of Dunlin 'Elder' plots that the rest of us were excluded from, giving play only to a very small group of insiders+their friends, despite these plots having ramifications on the family as a whole. Where was the 'Oh why can't everyone be involved?' during that? Why is this now a big deal?

You're smoking crack, here. If the wiki were still up I'd point you to the logs of the bimonthly (that's twice a month) scenes I ran distributing metaplot information for months and months and months? That Mira put all the effort into the apocdoc for? I never ran any Dunlin Elder shit, not once, and I was barely involved in the plots that did run despite the fact that I was a faction head. You weren't excluded from shit. You excluded yourself from family scenes after you totally lost your shit on me OOC and tried to tell people I'd said you weren't welcome. We "cleared up the misunderstanding" and you participated again, but the reality of my time on TR is so dramatically different than what you're describing here it's laughable. Months and months of scenes whose sole purpose was to spread the Metaplot information as far and as wide as possible. This is fact. It's not my problem that you had such a problem with me that you refused to partake. You were a crazy bitch then, and you're a crazy bitch now.

You lost your OOC shit because of an IC fling you had with another player that went sour. Sorry that happened to you? Not sorry you went crazy over it and lashed out?
I was excluded. Others were excluded. They can jump in if they want to. Whether you ran the Dunlin Elder plots or not, you were involved and didn't make the move to get others involved, certainly didn't bitch quite this hard (or at all) that others were being excluded. You weren't running this KD plot, but felt the need to criticize because folks weren't being included. Same hypocrisy.

As for the FB message? Not ideal, that much I'll grant. But click delete, block, and it's gone. Instead of, you know, putting it up here for our amusement. For someone who claims not to want drama, there is a surfeit of things done to inspire it.

That's actually not even what happened in the thread. I said a rather polite 'I'm done' and that was that, at which point I got the e-mail from Skaldia, lost my temper, and posted it and the FB messages. I even specifically apologized because I'd lost my ability to be as graceful about this as I ought to be. It's not okay to harass someone outside of a game. It might be easy to deal with, but that doesn't make it an OK thing to do.

So essentially "I'm sorry but rather than actually being done, I'm going to drama anyway"?

Then there's this: "I complained quietly to one person when I was frustrated, a couple of times." "Then I logged off to take a break, and Ash shared the conversation we'd had with somebody else"
How are these things any different?

One is me expressing my frustration that I was running into as a player to another player. It's called griping. The other is taking a staff discussion and sharing it. I don't really care that she shared what I said. I care that she shared it with someone else with the express purpose of that person running off to bully me with it, that she was looking for validation instead of understanding, that she was focused more on 'poor me, look what I have to put up with' instead of acknowledging that there was a problem and bloody fixing it. THAT is why that bothered me.

One is you (were you a staff member at the time? Seems like you were but correct me if I'm wrong) bitching to another player. The other is another staff member bitching to another player who went and did something else. They are the same thing, even if you sugar coat it. That the person you bitched to didn't go off and bitch to said person doesn't make your actions any different. Just theirs.

Anyone who MUs knows that this will end badly. To be offended when it does is silly. You want to avoid drama but still get shit off your chest? Write it down in a (not online!) journal. Otherwise? Don't complain when the things you do are done to you.

I'll complain all I want to, snookums. If it were actually as you're trying to frame it, you'd have a point, but you're so far off in lala land (oh god I am so surprised) that it's basically babytown frolicks up in here.

Easy does it there, snookums.

Edited to add: In case anyone wasn't aware, @VulgarKitten was Lara on TR.

You know, in case you're one of the people who hasn't seen the playlist I posted publicly here ages ago saying that.

This whole issue has been an exercise in hypocrisy. Entertaining as fuck and I'm glad I followed the thread, but also hypocritical.

@Sunny did this same thing to people over on The Reach. There were plenty of Dunlin 'Elder' plots that the rest of us were excluded from, giving play only to a very small group of insiders+their friends, despite these plots having ramifications on the family as a whole. Where was the 'Oh why can't everyone be involved?' during that? Why is this now a big deal?

As for the FB message? Not ideal, that much I'll grant. But click delete, block, and it's gone. Instead of, you know, putting it up here for our amusement. For someone who claims not to want drama, there is a surfeit of things done to inspire it.

Then there's this: "I complained quietly to one person when I was frustrated, a couple of times." "Then I logged off to take a break, and Ash shared the conversation we'd had with somebody else"

How are these things any different? Both times it's staff sharing something quietly with one person. Who probably then shared with another. Who then shared with another. But wink wink Shhh! I'm only telling you, okay? So don't tell anyone else.
Anyone who MUs knows that this will end badly. To be offended when it does is silly. You want to avoid drama but still get shit off your chest? Write it down in a (not online!) journal. Otherwise? Don't complain when the things you do are done to you.

@Tinuviel It was a huge shock. I'm sorry for your loss/the loss of your friend.

RIP Christina Grimmie.

Maybe not as big a name as some of the others here, but she was a gamer, a great talent, and a genuinely good person. I will miss her. All people deserve to be safe, full stop. No qualifiers necessary. This is a senseless tragedy.

Typos.

You paged Somebody with 'Sure, sounds good Feel like hitting the dicks?'.
You paged Somebody with 'DOCKS. OMG DOCKS'.

Kids having cancer. Or being deathly ill. Or suffering in any way, shape, or form. That can just go fuck itself. Not saying it's awesome when it happens to older-than-kids people, but it's fucking terrible when it happens to children. It's not fucking fair.

@Arkandel You can get a reputation as a prude (shamed for it, even) for wanting to FTB on the TS, depending on the game/players on the game. Calling them morons doesn't make it less true, even though it's true they're morons. How is it different?

@Arkandel And the opposite of that 'hey do you mind if we FTB on this sexy times stuff?' SHAME that chick is such a prude. It's just a game. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't, depending on the person.

@surreality I didn't read the whole thing because it was too long! SRY!

@Ghost said in The Shame Game:

@VulgarKitten UrrrDerrrDurrrrDuhDerrrrdurrrDeeerp

That's what you're doing. You totally wanna get jabs in at @surreality. WE GET IT ALREADY. STAHP. Shut your lying, heartless, venomous SCORPION WOMAN mouth and go back to reading and not commenting. I want this thread to be 'DURRRdeDurpBurpBlehBalawwwwwBlurtDerrr free.

We should fight We should fight and have fun

Hah. Somebody downvoted you and it wasn't me. Dude. So over it. It really was too long and pointless to read past the first couple of excerpts. The last one was mocking you, though! Do you even lift bro???

@Ghost Here, let me help!

TL;DR I'm mocking these people and it's hilarious.

@surreality Good lord. That needed a TL;DR that wasn't a lame meme. Trying too hard.