Posts made by Sunny

@arkandel said in Regarding administration on MSB:

I don't appreciate the all caps.

Can we please tone it down some?

Yep. I'm out, at least of this topic, probably the board. Good luck.

I have now been 'modded' for calling someone a liar who was DEMONSTRABLY lying. Like, we're not just talking about calling people dirty words, here.

I have seen someone be 'modded' for responding to another mod's vitriol.

We have reasonable people dropping mics and leaving.

And you, @Arkandel, and you, @Ganymede, keep taking things to hyperbolic places and extreme examples and flailing about like this is somehow bloody rocket science. Yes, there will always be extreme outliers that need to be dealt with in different ways. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE PEOPLE DISCUSSING THINGS ON THE REASONABLE LEVEL ARE NOT BEING REASONABLE.

What if..
What if...
What if...

I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR WHAT IF.

I care about what IS. What HAS been happening.

Blarg. This is super discouraging. I hope you guys manage to get this worked out.

@ganymede

I am qualifying what I say with 'I feel' because this is clearly not a discussion about objectivity. I don't expect you to change how I feel. What I do expect is that you consider how I (and the others posting) are feeling, in addressing this. You are doing so, fantastic. If we do NOT say outright: this is how this is making me feel, you are thus assumed to be unaware of such, and therefore you cannot take our feels into consideration. Auspice's behavior is a problem. We hear that you are addressing it privately, but what you may also wish to do privately is contain the problem until it has been addressed. It is being made worse.

@ganymede said in Regarding administration on MSB:

I still don't think it is helpful, because I can see the post and make my own conclusions based on it.

Right. And by the way that you're behaving about it, you're still demonstrating that what SHE said was OK, but responding to it and/or pointing out that she is being nasty and/or passive aggressive is not. The way that you are right now behaving is giving her behavior legitimacy in the eyes of the people that cannot see whatever conversation you are having in the background. She is CONTINUING the behavior that people are objecting to, so saying repeatedly (especially when it's right after her posts) 'we are addressing this right now' comes off as being A-OK with the behaviors being displayed.

ETA: I literally feel that I cannot post in response to her 2 most recent posts to this thread without you telling me to 'knock it off, it's not helpful'.

@ganymede

I do not feel heard, at all. I do not feel as if you are listening to me, I feel as if you are trying to silence the topic. That said, fine. However, if you are not going to call Auspice on something publicly, do not then call out someone else who does object. If Auspice says something, and you need to speak with Auspice about it, and you acknowledge that you need to speak with Auspice about it, DO NOT then turn around and ONLY mod-voice at the person in public who she was nasty to who then responded appropriately.

Me: Blah.
Mod1 as not mod: you're an idiot.
Me: uh, hey, jerk, you're an idiot.
Other-mod: STOP TALKING TO MOD1 that way.

At that point it does not MATTER if you took Mod1 aside privately or not.

@kanye-qwest said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@ganymede Ok, and yet no one is addressing the tone Auspice took, both in that thread after defenses as to the relevance of that story were made, AND HERE. It's not ok to call people stupid because they didn't understand you were being a regular silencing ass instead of authority silencing ass.

@Ganymede Please address this. Without insulting or calling names. This is a REALLY BIG concern for me, right here. If one of the 3 mods is going to be free to take potshots at KQ and I and a few other people, we should probably just acknowledge that we're not welcome here and go.

ETA: Let me clarify that I don't object to the potshots, I object to the 'free to', as in, she does it, any of us respond, and one of the other mods mod-voices as US for responding to her nastiness. This is not the first example of it happening recently, it is only the clearest and most recent.

Apparently, yes, I am an idiot. If that admission is what it takes for clarity to be offered, YES. FINE. I AM AN IDIOT. I AM COMPLETELY OBTUSE.

Please be clear about mod voice, or when you're not using it while you're telling people what to do.
Please stop telling people to stop behaviors that aren't against the rules, particularly sharing personal stories in the Hog Pit. HOG PIT. PERSONAL STORIES. NOBODY WAS EVEN BEING PICKED ON.
Please stop threatening people with bans because they object to how modding is being so inconsistent.
Please stop saying 'you asked for this' every time somebody brings up a problem with the HOW modding is being done.
Please stop trying to silence criticism with 'well, we aren't perfect'.
Please stop asking us to just trust you as a response to 'THIS BEHAVIOR RIGHT HERE IS IS PROBLEM'.

This is really, really, really bad. I am super uncomfortable with how these things are being handled in the present sense. Like I can't even get my words together to coherently object to what is being done in this thread because all I want to do is gibber and point. What. The. Hell.

@ganymede said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@sunny said in Regarding administration on MSB:

The first question for the next while for you guys really, really should be: why can this not wait until I can deal with this with my team?

In the case of forking a thread, my understanding is that forking early is a lot better than forking late.

Yes, I know there's a potential double-meaning to that.

I agree that in typical operation that is the case, but we are not there yet.

Double post, because another thought.

The first question for the next while for you guys really, really should be: why can this not wait until I can deal with this with my team?

@ganymede

I think this thing is less time sensitive than it often feels. I think you can afford to be more slow, for all that people get their panties in a bunch about stuff and things continue to escalate. I think it will be terrible at first, but as the rules kick in the bad explosions will get better more quickly.

I also think you guys need a discord or skype channel or something that you're talking on a lot more than you are if you already have one. You need to spend more time together in discussion. Set aside a few hours. Together. To just talk. Theories, opinions, etc. You guys are very different, but it IS possible to get on the same page if you put the effort in. If you decide that you guys are actually going to moderate -- and it does seem like this decision has been made -- then you have to decide to put the effort in to do the job you say you're going to do. Part of that effort is the effort required to get onto the same page with your team. That is done by discussion, exposure, and general communication. If what you're dealing with is not something that is going to be active damage to a person, it can wait for you guys to figure it out together until such a point that you get used to your team enough to know what the group decision probably would be.

@faraday OK, sorry. I completely misunderstood.

@wizz said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@sunny

I think @faraday's agreeing with you, just saying that it's not our call to make.

Whups. If this is the case, @faraday, sorry, I misunderstood the point you were trying to make.

I know it's not our call to make, but that doesn't mean I can't protest it and point out why I think there's a problem. If we're at a point where I should not be pointing out that I think there's a problem...well. Thankfully, I don't think we're at that point.

@Ganymede No, you didn't say what Enarei said was cool. @Arkandel did.

ETA: Which is my goddamned point. Figure. This. Shit. Out. All three of you are smart people with reasonable moral and ethical compasses. That you're having this much of a difficulty is really confusing to me.

@faraday How was calling us all pathetic and saying that we were lying about something that was demonstrably true even remotely constructive?

ETA: I mean seriously, I do understand the difference between constructive and non-constructive criticism. The implication that I don't is kind of offensive. The fact of the matter is, that's not how this is being enforced. Even a little bit.

Like, it was OK for dude to lie and call us all pathetic, it was the 'hey this was literally in the log we can all see you are lying' is the over the line into the personal? What?

My thing is, like...it only seems to be addressed as a personal insult when it's actually somebody responding to being personally insulted. Like, it's totally okay for @Tempest to imply I'm a lazy ass, but when I say 'no, actually, you are the lazy ass' suddenly people are wagging fingers. Not that this exchange has happened, specifically, I'm just using Tempest to illustrate my point. This feels gross. Just like when a mod was doing X behavior in one thread while taking people to task for the same behavior in another thread. Like, either mod or don't. This 'both thing, somewhere in between' is terrible, and personally, no, I did NOT ask for THIS.

XP incentive as in 'earn points for your other characters by playing and killing this one'.

What are folks' thoughts on offering XP incentives for folks to play short-term PCs with an expiration date?

It's a high lethality setting, but while design goals call for some inherent risk, setting the risk level as high as the setting calls for is a bad idea for the genre and story involved. I'm curious if anyone's got any thoughts on the topic to share.

@tnp Generally, it only becomes clear AFTER they've made the cut. After the hair is on the floor, stopping them won't do any good.

ETA: Oh hey what are you-snip.