@surreality I have not spoken with him in recent years, so I didn't/don't have that experience/context to draw on. I'm speaking to how it all started, not how people behaved later on, but yes, it's certainly worth mentioning that even he grew up. The hobby has matured. It's better. The history people are looking at is TERRIBLE, it's certainly nothing to aspire towards or look at with nostalgia.
@arkandel WORA actually was created by one of the worst offenders of the antisocial behavior. It was a website, and while there were definitely good things that resulted (there was some terrible behavior that was rightfully called out, the calling out being given a platform was super good), in general it was awful. It started out as the sort of thing that encouraged people being harassed in other platforms (livejournal, primarily) and so on. It was not co-opted by those people, those people are the ones that started it all.
@arkandel said in Character Information: Wiki or Mu*?:
@sunny Well, they wouldn't be on MSB any more, just for starters.
Right. The times, they are a'changing. When we compare it to the actual things that were happening in the hobby 15 years ago, there is no basis to claim that things are more negative / hyperbolic now.
@ghost said in Character Information: Wiki or Mu*?:
Fair ' nuff. I'm in no way arbitrating what is right or wrong. Just ideas and I'm a fan of prose-before-shows.
I have the same preference. 
I just don't think that it's a sign of anything declining, because zomg. I cannot imagine what would happen NOW if somebody came to MSB to brag about defacing somebody's Facebook like they did with the livejournal thing.
It used to be way way way way way way way way way way way way way worse. The BANG LIST was absolutely terrible, don't get me wrong, but this is in no way, shape, or form worse than it was before the advent of wikis. All of that behavior was always happening, but now it's in the light where it can be seen, addressed, and stomped on. The culture around our hobby is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR less negative and hyperbolic than it used to be. Man, there were people on WORA that cheered on someone posting pictures of aborted fetuses on somebody's damn personal livejournal. Trust me. Things have improved, they are NOT declining.
ETA: Before wikis were used, people had game livejournal communities where the same (and way way way way worse) behavior as happens on the wikis happened. Wikis were a huge improvement for a chunk of people, because now they didn't have to either keep a dummy LJ account or use their RL stuff to engage with games, but instead had a game specific account and identity that was way easier to use and much less risky. People pulled the crap like a BANG LIST back in the day, staff on the game had little recourse. Now, if it's on their actual game wiki, staff has an administrator and it can be immediately addressed.
I'm not just like arguing semantics here. There is a difference between 'don't do this' and 'don't do this unless the game runner, who we'll contact, doesn't mind'. That you did it over lunchbreak at work isn't the problem, it's leaving out a part of what is going on.
Rule 1, spoken: We can't wear blue shirts.
Rule 2, unspoken: Unless we're also wearing jeans.
When people see mods wearing blue shirts because they know about rule #2 (and the other isn't said), it's perfectly reasonable for there to be confusion.
@ganymede Right. The rules don't say that it is up to the game runner/etc. So if that's what the practice is going to be, I'd like the rules to be clear about it. There is nothing wrong with asking for the 'rules of engagement' post to be updated with what the actual situation is.
It would help a lot if the standards were applied fairly across the board. If you're going to enforce it one way, please enforce it the other, too. If it's not, then that's fine, but you then can't get upset that people are upset with you. Because it's shitty.
ETA: To be explicit, take the shit out of the X-men thread and put it in Mildly constructive where it belongs. That is what the rules SAY. If the rules are DIFFERENT (ie: the way that Gany is judging it), then update the post to reflect that.
@tempest said in Character Information: Wiki or Mu*?:
unless your game was meant to be intensely competitive and not cooperative at all.
Generally they were.
Well sure, it's always a PITA. Trying to alt-tab on a phone is next level PITA though, rather than just the regular garden variety. Uuuuugh.
@auspice I am sincerely glad to hear that. Congratulations! I'm happy for you!
Mushing from a phone is a PITA if everything isn't on the game itself.
That looks really really neat, and I will have to play with it some. I would also like to hear from folks who might've used it, too.
@arkandel said in Yes! More Micro-transactions! (Activision, WB Games and EA appreciation thread):
@lithium said in Yes! More Micro-transactions! (Activision, WB Games and EA appreciation thread):
Buy to play is dying? No. It's just not as absurdly profitable as it was. It is still profitable if the company is ran properly.
GW2, still profitable.
WoW, still profitable.
Hell even original EQ and EQ2 are still profitable.Is WoW buy to play? It has a monthly subscription, and you can buy some things (not terribly important) which grant advantages, such as gold.
Yes, you still have to pay for the base game, too. Possibly expansions to some degree or another, though they seem to be doing mostly battle chests with that stuff these days.
@three-eyed-crow said in RL Anger:
@kanye-qwest
There's this person on my floor who microwaves fish for lunch constantly. They will occupy a special circle of hell one day.
I work for a tribe in which fish is a really big deal. We get LOTS of people that microwave fish. And have smoked fish stinking up the office. And...
sigh
@alzie My post re: Lux was re: F&L. Paris is the game lead there.
Lux is great. Paris has stalked one friend of mine, harassed two others until they had to quit his game (one of whom had to quit ANOTHER game over it, because he logged in there to harass), and also closed a bunch of vamp jobs without talking to vamp staff about it first. Beyond, you know, the behavior he's exhibited here re: people he doesn't like.
ETA: And by closed, I do not mean resolved. I mean just closed.