Posts made by Tempest

@faceless What this guy said.

Damn dude, you've got 1000+ more posts than me.

@thenomain said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@thatguythere

Except that this is not a job.

If the example that you can work with people who you don’t get along with, then that’s great and we could use more of that.

Solving this is kind of a community thing.

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You know, Tempest, for someone who says they’re not demonizing Faraday, you are using her as the straw man for things people have been saying about Wora for over a decade. That is a little demonizing. There are a lot of things that’s could be said about the logic without saying that her defending her viewpoints counts as dominating the thread, or mentioning her at all.

You’re tired of the discussion. We get it. Breathe.

It's not a straw man when she is literally saying it over and over and over across multiple pages of the thread.

You guys really need to lay off this "straw man that" "fallacy this". We get it. You went to college and took a Logic class.

I'm not "demonizing" @Faraday or anything.

I am just saying, the past like 10+ pages of this thread have been "the people VS Faraday", and some of her points have been way off base.

The whole "the tone on MSB taints the public channel on games!" thing is just....wrong. It's honestly more than wrong, it appears to be purposefully disingenuous in an attempt to make it seem like we really need to censor MSB for the sake of MUing!

It's like one of those things that isn't real, at all, but if you throw it out there, it sounds like it could be real and people will fall for it.

I'd honestly wager the exact opposite is true. If people can't come vent here about stupid shit on game, they will find other ways to do it. Quite possibly on the game itself, leading to huge problems.

@arkandel said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@tempest said in Regarding administration on MSB:

Faraday appears to be super mega invested in turning this into rainbow unicorn times. Way more invested than anybody willing to argue with her about why she's wrong, anyways. It's not worth the time.

Let's not reduce this argument on either side into a strawman. It's not a "people who just want to see the world burn" versus "people who want rainbows and unicorns".

There's more nuance than that, so let's find a compromise instead of demonizing each other.

Multiple people have tried discussing this with Faraday for the past like 15 pages. She is single-handedly dominating this discussion.

As far as I can tell, most of them gave up because she isn't listening.

She's still pushing, and you're still listening.

IDK.

Faraday appears to be super mega invested in turning this into rainbow unicorn times. Way more invested than anybody willing to argue with her about why she's wrong, anyways. It's not worth the time.

I will reiterate that the people who have said the board will die without the "negative parts" are 100% correct.

And not because "omg eff u i will quit msb if I can't yell at people" or anything, I've just seen already what happens to forum after forum when they start getting censored or try to be 'havens of positivity'.

They die. Nobody cares about that stuff at least not on the 'check the forum once a day or so' kind of scale. Without the 'bad stuff' you lose the reason to pay regular attention to the board. The Faradays/etc will stop posting too, because there will not be "positive friendly helpful threads!" every day. There never are. Once people stop checking the board daily, and it becomes a "oh I haven't looked in a few days, let's see if anybody posted a constructive thread! ...nope they didn't", they eventually stop bothering to check entirely.

Been there, done that.

If you haven't been there and done that, IDK what internet you've been on, but you must be new.

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What the fuck? I thought this was like...supposed to be coming out relatively soon? (Or already be out?) Have they not even started it? o____O

This is probably not the place for this, but how different is Ares from the standard FS3 stuff? Like, sheetwise is it still 4 attributes that go 1-4 and custom-input skills that go 1-12?

(Not to go "OMG FS3!!!!!" Just genuinely curious. IDK anything about Ares.)

@ganymede As much as /I/ like my idea, I am well aware that WoD players are very...adamant about the ability to be able to gain XP.

If you do that, I could be wrong, but I suspect you'd severely crippling your potential pool of players to draw from.

@ganymede said in POLL: Vampire Requiem 2E Settings/Theme:

The absence of any tangible activity reward also did not slow BSG:U or Fifth Kingdom.

Or every Comic MU ever.

I've never understood the dire need for 'growth' on WoD games.

I really wish people would stop waving this "bring down games" thing around.

It's wrong.

It's a lie.

It's being blatantly disingenuous and looking to be dramatic.

Firan had multiple like...10,000+ post threads on WORA. It didn't seem to have much trouble staying at 100+ characters logged on for years.

If a game is demonstrably terrible in some fashion in terms of the adminning/etc, talking about that here is a warning to people, and something that is needed. When the stuff is /really bad/ and some shill pops up to defend it, yes things will get nasty. Wow. Surprise.

It is not "omg we're gonna shut down that game!"

35-40 XP is a fair bit in 2E. It lets you build a complete character though.

The problem with WoD is 'starting' characters are never complete. So unless everybody in the game is a babyvamp, it feels weird.

I like 40xp. But I also like zero further XP gain after that. You get 40xp. Make your character. The end.

My preference is not popular though.

On a different note, please don't ever let people go past 100xp.

100+ xp in 2E is just off to la la land.

Okay, in all seriousness here. Just from the past 3 pages of this thread.

@Auspice as a mod comes off pretty passive-aggressive frequently.

And @Ganymede as a mod is coming off as a defensive nazi. "OH WE MESSED UP? WELL FUCK YOU SHUT UP." (Specifically the exchange with @Kanye-Qwest.)

You guys are ALL being weirdly defensive when your 'mod decisions' get rightfully called into question.

And that does not bode well, at all.

@admiral said in Regarding administration on MSB:

I think the Mods are doing a fine job. If someone starts a thread talking about how something is 'worse than Hitler' in the constructive area I can't imagine why removing it would be a problem.

That is not the thread anybody is talking about.

If we want no personal insults outside of the Hog Pit, that needs to be clear cut and dry, IMO. Otherwise it's left up to some ambiguous standard of "what crosses the line into being /too/ insulting". There's a lot of "you're an idiot" "you're pathetic", etc, that seems to get by without issue until somebody blows up in response. (This will probably be hard for people like me to get used to, but if we're going to do it, it needs to be a clear line.)

And I apologize for my comments here outside of the hog pit. I was agitated.

@ganymede said in Regarding administration on MSB:

you had a hand in pushing for moderation.

I am 100% for HEAVY moderation in /advertisement threads/.

Outside of that, when we already have one UH thread in the hog pit, and one outside of it that is mostly fine until some shill comes along and picks a fight with everybody, and then it gets moved entirely on a whim....

After at least one person WARNED and ASKED you guys to not do it (I think it was @Three-Eyed-Crow?) because of that, I am just facepalming.

Then after doing exactly what they wanted you to do, you threaten to ban me because of a thread title I use.

Like, really?

I jokingly protested you moving the thread and then made that thread with the links.

IDK what world you live in, but "LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER" is a joke. There's no way for that to be taken seriously. Sure, I could've titled it better. But jesus, it could've been a lot worse, too. The "knock it off or you're banned" was absurd. And it made it seem like my 'fuck off' gifs were a key component of why the other thread got moved.

Especially after @Arkandel literally said @Enarei's posts were fine.

I'm also pretty sure the whole "moderation" thing revolved almost entirely around policing ADVERTISEMENT threads.

@faraday said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@Tempest What's the big deal here? The thread was moved to the hog pit when it turned into a flame war. @Arkandel and @Ganymede have both said they're looking at splitting it up more constructively. How about we give them some time to sort things out instead of screaming insults at them?

And really, I think everyone who saw the title on your new thread was placing bets on how long it would be till that got moved or renamed. All it would have taken was a title like "Alert about UH" or something and you would've been fine. There's no need to try to turn this into some kind of "@Ganymede has a vendetta" thing when the title was quite obviously not constructive.

There was no reason for the entire thread to be moved. IDK why this is difficult for you and Ganymede to understand. We literally had people in the thread saying "PLEASE DO NOT MOVE THE WHOLE THREAD". Hey, if you wanted to cull the last 3 pages or w/e, go for it.

@ganymede said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@tempest said in Regarding administration on MSB:

Yes, just randomly move an entire thread instead of waiting for them to show you how to do it properly.

But moving the entire thread was the intended action. There was nothing random about it.

There is no logical reason to move 250 posts to the hogpit when only the last 10% of them are 'bad'.

You're just being ridiculous now.

@ganymede said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@tempest said in Regarding administration on MSB:

Crazy idea, if you can't spend 5 minutes learning the commands/etc to moderate a forum....

Maybe don't moderate a forum?

Crazy idea, but if two out of three moderators know a particular command well enough and there is no need for immediate action, maybe waiting for a walkthrough on your first attempt is wiser than tinkering on one's lonesome and risking obliterating some posts.

Yes, just randomly move an entire thread instead of waiting for them to show you how to do it properly.