Posts made by ThatGuyThere

@wolfs said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@thatguythere Sure, but to do that while trying to act like you're just some occasional visitor who has no real connection to anyone else here is not exactly believable. You may like telling yourself that for whatever reasons you have, but it doesn't mesh with reality.

When did I say I was an occasional visitor? I am here most days, a lot of days I check in multiple times. I will not claim I don't spend a shit ton of time here.
In the thread with the detestably sexist name that is now locked in the Hogpit, @auspice posted a definition of community that included the phrase Positive feeling, which are absent here. And while that definition is not completely in agreement with mine it makes a good starting point.
For me it is more a familiarity thing.
For example, I could not tell you one thing about yourself, literally nothing pops into my head at seeing the name Wolfs, for Roz the only thing I got is likes transformers games and ran/runs Transformers Lost and Found. For some others I could name more things but I doubt there is a single person here I know more than a paragraph of information about. If that is the bar you set for what makes a community it becomes a meaningless distinction.

@wolfs said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@thatguythere Says the guy with almost 2,500 comments here.

I really like to argue. I have never disputed that, nor would anyone here.

@arkandel said in Regarding administration on MSB:

I hate to break this to you man, but whether you like it or not... you're part of what we call a 'community'. Welcome!

Not that I am going anywhere unless told to but I have never read anything before this that made me consider not posting here.
You randos keep your community to yourselves.

@arkandel said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@thatguythere I mean this in the nicest way, I really do... but what are you doing here?

If you mean the board as a whole, I am here to argue/chat/theorycraft about games. Posts in non-game threads are mostly asides because like most conversations topics wander around. I am on discussion boards about other topics that interest me as well such as pro wrestling, comic books, sports, and Big Brother (the reality tv show not the Orwellian idea) (Note I don't consider any of those place communities either)

If you mean this thread, it is a thread that has a strong potential to impact my purpose for being on the board as a whole as stated above.

@roz said in Regarding administration on MSB:

There's a difference between "there's a community but I'm not interested in engaging in it" and "there's not a community." Your posts have sounded a lot like the latter. If that's not what you meant, then it's just a miscommunication.

What i was saying is that the community doesn't exist to me, whether it exists to others only matters to me in so far as how it effects me.

The Ron Swanson quote above pretty much sums up my thoughts about most things.
Though my personal version is more along the lines of, "Harm no one else, do what you want, don't expect me to care."
I don't mean this in a negative way but in a neutral one.

@roz said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@thatguythere So I think it's really about the fact that the community exists but you personally don't engage with

Isn't that pretty much the same as my initial statement of "to me this place is not a community". You all can have all the community you want just don't expect me to call it that or care about that aspect.

@roz said in Regarding administration on MSB:

If a bunch of people start going to the same coffee shop to talk to each other on a regular basis -- like every day -- then yeah, it's a community. If there's a guy who goes in and just stops by long enough to say hi and put a poster up on the bulletin board, maybe he's not engaging in the community, but he'll clearly be able to see that it's the same people chatting there every day, so denying that a community of sorts exists seems pretty blind.

Fair point, though I am the guy who would stop in put up a poster then not realize it was the same people every day. (Yes this has totally happened in the past only with out the poster, to the point where I ran into one of the people out at a bar. They started talking like they knew me. I was confused, they got upset because I didn't recognize them from said coffee shop that i would stop into daily on the way to work and occasionally chat with the other folks waiting.) So I will freely admit I am likely in the minority but that in no way changes my opinion.

@Apos
To me is it less a transnational approach and more a purpose based one. On a game the goal is to have enjoyable rp. (At least to me.) So I do my best to make every scene I am in enjoyable and help every one have the most amount of fun possible. Even if things are contentious IC I try to be as friendly as possible OOCly and genuinely feel I have messed up if someone does not enjoy a scene I have with them. Granted not all play styles mess and sometimes the most enjoyable option for everyone is avoidance, but that is thankfully an uncommon occurrence. And yes I have made friends on games but that is also an uncommon occurrence as well.

to me it comes down to what is the primary purpose of the thing.
That is something that really only @Arkandel can decides since he is the one in charge.
If it is to discuss games or be a community, you can try for both but one will have to the the primary concern.
My suggestion now would be start whatever process with a mission statement, decide what you want to be and move towards it.
If the goal of this place is community building place that up front, so those that have no interest in community know this.
The reason I compared the board to ads is that both are mediums with the same basic goal. Spread information in public manner. Another example would me going into a coffee shop or bar and having a random conversation, it can be a pleasant way to spend time but it don't make me friends with that other person.

@thenomain
Except that to me this place is not a community, any more than the classifieds of a paper would be or any other messaging service.

@arkandel said in Regarding administration on MSB:

So let's say you're a MUer and you meet another MUer; that person does something that makes them unlikable to you. It doesn't need to be (and often isn't) anything really bad - maybe they pose a way you don't like, or play characters you find obnoxious. Maybe they spam a little more than you like. Perhaps they use wiki codes in their poses (ugh, those people).

In that case I avoid RP with them, and wish them well in future RP. I do that because I generally wish everyone well. Hell, I hope VASpider has enjoyable rp even though I will continue to avoid any game she is on. I don't see treating how people with basic humanity, equals any sort of community. And that is my response weather I know the person prefers Coke to Pepsi or whatever else.

On to the cat example, as someone who has lost pets I definitely sympathize with that, but if you had posted something I disagreed with in another thread right after that I would have responded in the same way I would at any other time.

Edit to add: To me it comes down to what the purpose of an endeavor is, for example I was put in charge if a special project on a job, and was free to choose those working with me. I shocked the people I worked with because of the people I selected, I only got along well with one, to me it was the obvious group to select because they would do the best job, and that was the purpose weather I liked getting trapped in the conference room for 8 hours a day with people I didn't want to be around or not.
For this board as I stated the purpose is discussion and I think that is facilitated by people not having to pause before they express there thoughts to make sure no one will be offended. I am willing to bet most people have had feelings hurt by posts here are at the preceding sites I will admit to it, but to be that is not a big deal if the board is able to serve its purpose.

Ahh so this is one of those community things that I just don't grok.
To me if the main thing I have in common with someone is that we MU then they are a MUer and regardless of the other bits of their lives that is what they are.
There are a few exceptions to this but those are rare and are given non-game or board was to contact and keep in touch.
This isn't even an on-line thing for me, I love chatting with the folks at the comic shop but they are the comic shop people to me I would not go out of my way to invite them out on the town, though I would say "hi" if I ran into them while I was out drinking.

@faraday
Oh we have the tastes less gamey section here, but to me it is useless to the purpose of the board. It is generally harmless so not really an issue and while i will comment in them they are not what brings me here.
To me I think it comes down to what you see the purpose of this board being. the purpose for me is a site associated with any one game that issues with games (both negative and positive) can be discussed without the powers that be on the games being able to shut down the topic.

Edit to add: I guess my counter question is what purpose does the tastes less gamey section here or the various not game related channels serve on game?

@faraday said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@thatguythere said in Regarding administration on MSB:

If you want a board with the level of discourse seen on game channels then it is a given that we will never be happy on the same one since games channels to me are only useful for the occasional Hey anyone want to RP? shout outs, otherwise they tend to been dead silent or filled with nothing.

I didn't mean literally just the "<Public>" channel - I meant public chat channels in general. And perhaps our experiences have been different. I've seen numerous games with chat channels filled with constructive policy discussions, theme discussions, code discussions, and chats about everything from healthcare coding to superhero movies and sports teams. Occasionally somebody goes overboard, but for the most part these conversations are civil and harmless because many (most? I hope?) staffers don't tolerate anything different on our games.

We have had very different experiences on public channels. What I have noticed on public channels is mostly random waving, some general flouncing around, various cries for attention. Though there is rarely anything hostile it is never anything I generally consider good or worthwhile either. Though in your examples the only things I would consider worthwhile would be the policy and code discussions, on a game I consider babbling about movies or sports to be a negative on a channel.

@shaggy
My first question is would the ringwork be IC works or IC shoots? I could see it as being fun either way.

@faraday said in How should IC discrimination be handled?:

It really didn't work out too well. Only rarely did people emit NPCs reacting as historical NPCs would. And the prevalence of progressive viewpoints far overshadowed anything the NPCs did occasionally dish out, leading to a sort of weird cognitive dissonance.

Not that I want to see more IC discrimination on games, I am in the opposite camp in fact and prefer real life conflicts to be left in RL and game conflicts to be based on game things.
But I have to echo Faraday's point. If it is something that requires NPCs to exist it will exist a very small portion of the time since the main times when people would emit NPCs are in plot.

On the specific discrimination thing having that NPCed would make me uncomfortable, either the player is emitting the NPCs reactions to their own PC and while that could be done well, it would also be the same sort of "Pay attention to Me, Make me the center of the scene" behavioutr that we see in other areas like the PC showing up randomly chased by someone, or injured etc. Or other players would be emitting the NPCs being discriminatory and that just strikes me as skeevy.

@faraday said in Regarding administration on MSB:

Stupid enter key, ETA: We handle this just fine on our game public channels, for the most part. I don't doubt we could handle it here. People just don't want to.

I will be brief in my response to this, but I have yet to see a public channel on any game that I thought had a purpose in existing, beyond serving as an info channel on places without an info channel.
If you want a board with the level of discourse seen on game channels then it is a given that we will never be happy on the same one since games channels to me are only useful for the occasional Hey anyone want to RP? shout outs, otherwise they tend to been dead silent or filled with nothing.

@faraday said in Regarding administration on MSB:

For goodness sake, there's a difference between "criticism" and calling someone a "shit-flinging howler monkey". And the fact that this is even being debated is exactly the thing that's driving people like me away from this forum.

I definitely agree with this, however ever discussion forum I have ever been on that had an enforced rule of civility soon became nothing but happy positive because anything negative no matter how it was stated would get reported, complained about etc until disagreement became more trouble than it was worth and discussion died.
At that point there is no purpose to the board existing.

@tempest said in POLL: Vampire Requiem 2E Settings/Theme:

Or every Comic MU ever.

I've never understood the dire need for 'growth' on WoD games.

I think a lot has to do with what drives you as a Mu* player.
For me it is definitely two fold both story and mechanical advancement, ideally the two will work together, I think this is why I rarely stick long to comics games, when the story is the only source of entertainment I will wander off when RP slows down simply because there is nothing else to do. While on WoD games or other games with mechanical advancement I can entertain myself more with building the character during the slow times and when the cycle of RP picks up I am still around to enjoy it.

Though I will also freely admit I see MU*s as an extension of and partial substitute for table tops so that definitely colors my attitudes on things like this. Yes I would play and have played a TT with no advancement, my requirements for the quality of story would be significantly higher than in a game where mechanical advancement was part of the fun.

@ganymede said in Regarding administration on MSB:

@thatguythere said in Regarding administration on MSB:

I think you are on the right track, but not with the fake Staff 1 and 2 thing but create separate mod accounts.

I don't believe that separating accounts is going to accomplish anything. I believe that, wherever I post, I will carry my hat on my in some way, shape, or form. I acknowledge this, and that may mean I need to refrain from doing things that I used to do before.

That is fair, honestly I look at moding a forum like being staff on a game or a police officer in RL. It is pretty much who you are at all times.
Since it is an authority that is possessed with every most that is made, baring separate account with different permissions, ideally it is also a responsibility that should similarly be maintained.

@ghost
I think you are on the right track, but not with the fake Staff 1 and 2 thing but create separate mod accounts. For example ArkMod, GanyMod and AuspiceMod, there is a good reason every game I have been on except early Dark Metal has kept staff bits separate from staff PC bits, even if it is the same person giving the same answer either way there is a difference in the authoritativeness presented. It also in the specific case of the boards solves the MOD Voice issue. If it is from the mod account then it is Mod voice. If not then it isn't.
Yes there will be the occasional mav post just like there are mavs on games but I think that would resolve 90+ percent of the is this mod or poster talking right off the bat.