Posts made by ThugHeaven

@admiral

We get what you’re saying. The thing is it sounds like grandpa saying “ back in my day...” completely ignoring the fact hip hop still does have a message. He paid lip service to Kendrick Lamar, but Kendrick Lamar’s album sold really well “I got royalty and loyalty inside my dna.”
At this point music is two to three generations removed from him. It went from an underground art form to a mainstream genre. The consequence is that it is what it is today. Instead of taking young artists under his wing, he’s alienating them by talking shit about them.
While he was talking about what he was rapping about, he ignored the fact that Ice-T and Too Short were rapping about pimpin and disrespecting women at the same time.

It still has a message, he’s just not seeing it.

@wretched
Right! I love Cardi B, Migos, etc. There’s nothing wrong with that kind of music. Sometimes you feel like listening to something ratchet.

My concern is that that’s all they play on the radio. But radio is crappy any station you turn to these days. Thank god for Spotify. My concern is also that there is a generational thing happening here where that older generation “Run DMC” is becoming crotchety and alienating the youth by saying “What are you doing to my music!?” When there is good hip hop being made still.

That’s not good either.

The beauty of hip hop back then was it was diverse. You could have N.W.A., A Tribe Called Quest, you name it. Now it just doesn’t happen like that.

So while he was saying what happened to the message, he casually mentioned there’s Kendrick Lamar.

What he should’ve been talking about how the diversity is still there. It’s just that certain types of hip hop are the mainstream.

I iz a Belta!

Played it, poked around for a little while and left. I do remember it though especially the angel and demon thing. It was an interesting concept and one of the games I was looking for when I came back to Mu*ing.

Caldo Verde- Portuguese Green soup

Take a green (collard or kale) wash, cut the thick stem off, slice into ribbons. Set aside.

Cut chorizo or linguica sausage into slices. Set aside.

Take a few potatoes, cut them into cubes.

In your pot, sautée your potatoes with garlic (as much garlic as possible!) and olive oil, then add your sausage. Onion is optional for sautéing.

Pour in your chicken stock, lower your heat so that your potatoes can get nice and soft. When your potatoes are just about done, add your greens and let those cook for about 15 minutes.

Now it’s ready! Feel it in your soul....

@d-bone said in Armageddon MUD:

A benign question asked oocly- even if your character icly might have knowledge of such- that is illegal could be something as simple as:Hey is it a good idea to go outside the west gate and hunt there or is the east gate safer? Some games go find out ic, Arma has a much harder stance on that shit, not only do you not get the answer, you should be 'reminded' not to ask questions like that.

Oh, no, it was for you. And here's why: In your example you want to go about it ooc, because you feel your character would know which one is safer. So even if you asked which was was safer, at best you would get a response like: Neither way is safer.

So your example is kind of vague. I'm not even sure what kind of answer you're looking for.

So I'm assuming you wouldn't want them to show you what's safe for you to hunt, which is what is likely to happen. So let's throw that out.

Maybe you mean, "I want directions to a safe hunting ground." Nobody is going to give you a "Go N,E,S,S,N,N" it's not that kind of game. Not going to happen. Not going to get into you not being punished for it either, you just won't get the answer you're looking for.

The reason nobody is going to tell you definitively "GO EAST!" is because if you go in one direction you're going to find spiders, if you go in the other you're going to find mekillots. Both are creatures that would give veteran hunters pause.

What you can do is stay in character is say, "My father always said the best hunting is out the east gate, what you think Joebob?" And Joe bob would probably reply, "Your father must've liked running from mekillots."

Usually when two sides disagree on something like this they say “we’re going to have to agree to disagree”.

I’m going to invoke that right now so that we don’t cause anymore temporary insanity.

I came here to advertise the game as per the rules. It really turned into “yes it is! No it’s not!” On a level that I haven’t seen since grade 8. It’s really gone into game philosophy, grammar, Tomb Raider and took all kinds of turns it really shouldn’t have and should’ve been stopped a long time ago.

@evilcabbage whats happening is there are people really waiting for one of us to say “Our game is better than yours” because a while back Jeshin came in here and had that kind of attitude and made a whole thing about Muds vs. Mushes. I think it left a bad taste in people’s mouths. So they’re just waiting for something like that.

So, here’s what I’m proposing: Let’s hit the reset button.

Keep in mind there are people that feel strongly about the game. Both ways. There is a board where people would love to see the game shut down and buried for good. There are also players that would love to share the same game with as many people as possible and hope you would enjoy it too. Those are two very extreme points of view. So @ShaLeah is right, it is that kind of game.

Armageddon is a game where you’re in character as much as possible, but that doesn’t mean you can’t break character or say “I made a mistake...do over.” It’s not a game that would appeal to everybody that posts here. But there is no game like that. It is very much a game that recognizes its flaws and it tries to make them right. Just like in a mush, I’m sure staff has had serious discussions about ways to take down some of those barriers to entry.

It’s a game where the world is unfair and characters are flawed. I felt like this forum was mature enough to look at the initial ad and say “it’s not for me” and move on to talk about VASpider or whatever the hot topic of the week is. In the very least I thought I wouldn’t have to say “...then this game isn’t for you.” I was wrong.

If you can’t deal with a minimal amount of ooc chatter...then this game is not for you.

If you can’t deal with the possibility of your character meeting an abrupt end....then this game is not for you.

If you don’t read documentation...this game is not for you.

If you want to do everything alone and figure things out on your own...you’re going to die a lot. If you don’t like that.....this game is not for you.

If you want to play a Mary Sue that knows how to do everything or eventually learn everything....this game is not for you.

If you don’t want your character to die....this game isn’t for you.

If you are not alright with your character being treated poorly, for their race, accent or class..this game isn’t for you.

If you’re the type of player that needs to know all of the things...right now, when the question comes to you...this game isn’t for you.

If the game isn’t for you, then no hard feelings and good luck wherever you end up. I didn’t come here to debate the pros and cons of a system where ooc is kept at a minimum. I didn’t come here to say one way is better than another. If you played it, didn’t like it. I hope you find or found what you’re looking for.

If you’re still interested after the debacle this has turned into, feel free to visit the site or ask me basic questions. I’ll be here forever, because I mush too.

@kanye-qwest

See...what I’m trying to get across is there are different examples being bounced around with very different possible outcomes.

What you quoted he’s saying you get punished for being in the wrong place. Yes, you can. The documents state there are places your character is absolutely not welcomed. That is not punishing a newbie, that’s punishing anyone that goes somewhere where they don’t belong. Ok, you didn’t read the documents. The room descriptions do a pretty good job of telling you “You shouldn’t be here.” So let’s say you didn’t notice the room descriptions either. You come across players that rob you (he said he’s ok with that kind of roleplay)That still isn’t punishing a new player, it’s a consequence any player would face for doing the same thing.

Now moving on to the next scenario. Your character can’t read. Same thing here asyou didn’t read any of the documentation, you don’t know your character can’t read. You’re humming along and you say “I was reading the message board over there and it says...” The record skips, players are going crazy...you didn’t know. When you say ooc “Geez guys...I didn’t know my character is illiterate.” Other players would understand that and play around it.

Now if you don’t say anything ooc. The other players have no idea you’re a new player. The signs are there, but you didn’t break character. Players might say something ooc, they might choose to keep it in character and warn you. Either one of those are likely to happen. That still isn’t punishing a new player for making a mistake. How would they know you felt uncomfortable by making a mistake in this case. Some people just roll with it.

These are unlikely scenarios by the way. Let’s play them out anyway.

Ok, last one. You did all of the above. You got corrected ic or ooc, players have moved on and then you say “gonna write this letter. Where do I buy scrolls?” Your newbie armor is now gone. Personally, at that point I would be thinking you’re ignoring the game world, not that you’re new.

When I point out there is a forum and a discord. I’m pointing out that the game is not all that opaque. Not that you should jump on chat in the middle of a scene.
Hopefully if you’ve applied for a character, you’ve taken some time to read the documentation. But if you haven’t, you said it yourself people don’t like to read. Then that’s another issue, but it’s not “Armageddon punishes new players.”

@d-bone said in Armageddon MUD:

Let's not also forget that ooc communication is highly discouraged- so some new players might encounter situations where they are told not to take it ooc and keep it ic, so they might be afraid to ask for a retcon. Oh snap, the system is designed to keep new players in the dark and kick the shit out of em. So you know all those games your encouraged to express your needs and desires in the game oocly with the people around you so they know your limits n shit? Fuck that.

That’s what you said and that’s why I said “I confused”, then later you said, it’s like Forgotten Kingdom.

First of all why would you ask “where’s the best place to hunt?” Out of character, in the middle of roleplay, when you can ask that in character, when you can ask on the discord or the new player questions forum? What will most likely happen is a player will show you where which gate to go out to find someplace to hunt if they have time.

Ok, so if you’re the type of player you don’t want to use the tools available to you and you’re going to break character all the time to ask all the questions out of character, then you’re right, you will have a hard time.

In your second example with shadowrun, what you described happened to your character is more in line with what could happen to your character on Armageddon.

So no, it’s not a system designed to keep a new player in the dark and kick the shit out of them. And you still haven’t given me an example where you are told to keep it ic.

@roz why are we comparing a Mud to a Mux? People tend to stay in character, but that doesn’t mean you can’t communicate ooc. In the very first post I linked a message board and a discord, so that you can see for yourself and not assume.

@d-bone I’m still not clear on your example.

@roz why wouldn’t you defend it if it’s not true?

@ortallus so are you saying Forgotten Kingdoms and Armageddon are the same? I confused...

@roz if someone isn’t interested, then they aren’t interested. What it looks like you’re saying is no one here is going to be interested. Not true.

@ortallus is Forgotten Realms an RPI? I’ve never heard of it.

@roz because it’s not. What I keep seeing is “I don’t want to play a game where I can’t make a mistake as a new player” What I’ve done right now is clarified that yes you can and given an example of how you can do that.

So since it’s an advertisement and it doesn’t happen like that. If it keeps coming up, I’m going to keep saying it in different ways until it’s clear that you can make mistakes and the mistake can be taken back.

@d-bone No I haven’t, so example please.

@d-bone

Can you give an example of a player being told to keep it IC?