Posts made by Ghost

For example, I prefer to be referred to as a:

FrenchWelshGermanItalianWhiteNorthNebraskan-Turned-ArizonanFormerlyCatholicNowVaguelyFightClubInspiredQuasiZenGamerITProfessional American

We're out there and deserve recognition, yo.

Okay, this might sound stupid, but hear me out.

People wanna avoid innocent people getting blacklisted, right? But at the same time, there are people who deserve to be blacklisted.

We have many regular game runners. @faraday @Cobaltasaurus @Seraphim73 etc etc etc

So...if what people are looking for is a coordinated effort, then maybe these people who we regularly turn to for game ownership should put their heads together, keep a google drive folder of logs and evidence, and post a list of personalities who are unwelcome on their games.

Kinda like...ship captains

@Arkandel sometimes...the bullet is easy to dodge.

@Arkandel well, the next logical step after that would be to suddenly have a lawyer show up at my door asking me to sign an affidavit that I'm not Bucky0hare420. Or, worse yet, being waterboarded at a Chicago black site until they're convinced I'm truly not that person...and then release me to return to WoDMu#8778

@Arkandel See?!?!? It's everywhere

Once I had a player I didnt even know start texting me really weird questions about where I'd played. Turned out she was screening me on behalf of someone else I was actively rping with at the time.

DUDE, I got blackOps'd screened.

My personal favorite is the one of us might be a Cylon paranoia. Far too many people(for comfort) I've met on these games would often go into stalker mode themselves trying to determine who is who.

• That person typed a pose like VASpider does! Might be spider!
• Your character name is vaguely similar to an old character name who stalked me...are you <blah>?
• A creepy guy used that PB once on another game and I can't trust you arent him, so please don't take offense

It'd be interesting to see the results as to whether or not the damage done out of paranoia is > the damage done by the actual bad guys.

@Meg Your Decepticon privilege is showing.

Decepticon.

@Ataru well done.

Gany used the N Word so now I gotta be like:

@Auspice yeah that friend of mine considers himself an academic and his apology game is strong

But in a crowd he totally looks like he's a Vladivostok Russian white, which is Asian.

Edit: Also? Charlize Theron is an African American. Wuddup.

Constructively, I think, from a certain point of view, it's easy to approach this hobby as figurative sandbox. When I was younger, around 19, so probably around 99/2000, I had this lackadaisical attitude about these games. Don't ask me where I played, I couldnt remember. Fuck, 1030, I'm digressing Back to the point:

I think it's easy to approach these games like its a community sandbox and whether your individual fucked-up-ness leads you to a place where you take a karate kick to all of the castles in the sandbox, even the ones other people are building, it doesn't matter. It's data, words on a screen, time spent, and within x# months/years the game will go away and it'll all be lost, right? If you get frustrated and destroy everyone else's creation in the sandbox, even your own, you're not destroying actual property. You can walk away anonymously. Life will go on.

Now, back then, I might have kicked a few assets when leaving a game, but I never did anything damaging, but my point is this:

Depending on who you ask, the level of value as to what is on these games and how lasting that value is, even if the game is only open 6 months, varies from person to person. It is, however, very likely that these unapologetic repeat offenders view this hobby as sandcastles made of ether and code where people merely donate their time, and that there is no actual, lasting value aside from what your own self seeks to get out of it.

The worst repeat offenders may, on some level, not take the hobby seriously outside of their own involvement, view the stories as important only so long as they're involved, and don't see the point in bothering much about anyone else's involvement or feelings because, in the end, very few of us know each other in a RL sense.

Which would explain why these people become unapologetic about the way they fuck with the sandbox. Because, what's the risk to them for doing so?

I would like to point out my love of time spent writing with @skew @Auspice @surreality @Pondscum Wendigo @Paris @faraday

By no means a complete list, but its 1030, I'm tired, and I cant remember all the @ tags at the moment.

I had a lot of good times with you guys and you're all very vivid and challenging in the way that a good writing partner teaches you to dig deeper and show, not tell. For those of you who haven't had the pleasure, I highly recommend them each for different reasons.

Kind of like working out with someone who pushes you to lift an extra pound in one session more so than you did the last session.

When I write, I don't care about me. I dont care about agenda or what I, myself, want for my character. Instead, when I write I care more about finding the voice of my creation and writing through it. Players like these make it hard to find plateaus where RP stales and becomes rote.

Whenever I dig into this hobby, I always find a lot of comfort working thru people who are less concerned with the direction of plot as they are that it has direction. Cooperative writing requires pushback. I u fuckers. You don't pushback. You bodyslam.

@Paris said in A Constructive Thread About People We Might Not Like:

Ghost, you're advocating for a player (edit: AND STAFFER) who, for over a decade, has done to others the kind of bullshit that was done to you. In some cases, she did worse.

Oh I'm not advocating for HER, Paris. I'm not trying to stop this discussion at all. I'm about to politely bow out of it.

I'm more or less advocating at this point for other people who might not be so deserving of ugly, open displays of he-said-she-said that may follow.

I'm not accusing ANYONE of shit talking or whatever, I'm just being this philosophical little toad in the corner going "...but what are we if not evolved creatures and this method of Socratic turns into mob justice?" LOL. I can totally get it that you guys are like "Okay, fuckoff Ghost, VASpider's earned this".

The floor is yours, folks. I'll stop it with the DVD commentary.

@Paris said in A Constructive Thread About People We Might Not Like:

@Ghost said in A Constructive Thread About People We Might Not Like:

So I'd hate to see such an open forum used to attack innocent players

She isn't.

Well, VASpider is just the first one in the stocks.

@Roz Non-sarcastic reply?

I don't know the answer to that question.

I believe the behaviors and mob-rule factor of MSB/WORA to be more of an impediment to constructive conflict resolution. I've handled plenty of issues quietly and maturely 1on1, and I'm not entirely sure the best way to handle when people have issues with other players on a larger scale. I do know that there are people who abuse this process by spreading misinformation out of scorn, having been a victim of that sort of thing, myself.

So I'd hate to see such an open forum used to attack innocent players by claiming they're a witch! and throwing them on the fire to see if they burned. Something about it just seems...really risky and could result in a lot more issues than issues resolved. That's all.

@Thenomain said in A Constructive Thread About People We Might Not Like:

@Ghost said in A Constructive Thread About People We Might Not Like:

I would like to state for the record that my 'quoted' comment above was not intended to in any way start any sort of actual mob-rule banning effort, nor was it intended to start anything, really.

Then my Rhetorical Question sensor is on the fritz, sorry.

It's all good. If YOU want to start that up? Go right ahead. You're your own person. I just wanted to throw out there for the record that I had no intention of handing out torches and pitchforks.

I have this habit of typing things that are philosophical in my head, so I should clarify. The purpose behind that comment was to more philosophically ask: "Okay, so you really dislike her, but what's the point in just complaining and avoiding, what's your end game? You either DO something about it, or learn the risk factors and mitigate it."

(i.e. perhaps the better way of dealing with it in the long term might be to encourage her to roleplay openly with everyone knowing who she is, and then watch for the behaviors. If an open statement is made: We don't like the way you manipulate shit, and players make it clear to staff that they won't stay if she is allowed and if those behaviors persist, then staff will have to choose to ignore so many players' stances or adhere to them. VASpider would then, in theory, get with the program, behave, and life will go on)

I would like to state for the record that my 'quoted' comment above was not intended to in any way start any sort of actual mob-rule banning effort, nor was it intended to start anything, really.

Given the high levels of subjectivity and the behavior of some individuals in this hobby, I would also like to state, for the record, that I think that this thread is a bad idea, as like all threads, it will only devolve into Hog Pit levels of mob justice and crazytown bullshit.

I have nothing that I would like to contribute. The people I have issues with, I will deal with directly if I feel like bridging the gap. If I do not, I give them their room to RP in peace. I see nothing constructive about airing issues that will likely not resolve in any constructive manner by placing them before an audience of trolls and cliques.

@Cupcake I seriously just assume that everyone is, give or take, on every single game. With burner email addresses on wikidot accounts, I used to keep an eye out for people, but I just stopped sooner or later. This isn't a criticism in anyway, I'm just sayin' that at any given time I assume everyone I've ever MU'ed with crossed my path incognito every game I played.

@Cupcake Well, chances are that person is on every other game like everyone else is.