Best posts made by Meg

@Jeshin said in The ethics of IC romance, TS, etc:

The ethics of IC Romance and TS is all about managing expectations. If you're going to be 100% IC, you need to be 100% IC. If this means you're cheating and you have crazy hawt seches and have some hickies, you need to RP covering them up or they get spotted. If you're going to have OOC collab you need to be upfront. OOC collab means that you are writing a story together and just like writers in a meeting you're pitching ideas and discussing story threads. This includes any negative drama you want to explore. If you want to go some IC/OOC hybrid because you're chatting and coordinating playtimes and you banter a bit. You just need to be honest. Don't mislead your RP partner. If honesty leads to hurt feelings that sucks but you're not a creeper or abuser if you don't try and obscure or manipulate. You might be an asshole, but I think there is a fundamental difference between being an ass and victimizing your RP partners.

Basically, I like this summary. I don't care if you want to cheat ICly, but then keep it IC. If you want to collab OOCly, then collab. But often, people want to build harems. So they tell everyone OOCly 'you're my one and only' whether or not the person they are RPing with asked, while ICly having a billion relationships.

@HelloProject uhm, false.

@surreality I don't think this is constructive. I don't think it's fair to say that this thread doesn't belong in the hogpit. I mean, you did just accuse someone of sleeping with a man with a fiancee. I don't think there's any situation in which this thread gets constructive from there.

honestly, not so much anger as sad. going in to the first holiday season since my parents moved across the country, so i'm gonna be spending all of it alone. which isn't so great or fun, and super sad. i am a grown adult so i shouldn't be so sad but. eh.

I definitely had grown-ass adults take giant fucking steps over the line of acceptable ways to interact with a 15 year old online when I was 15 and on MUDs, even when they knew I was 15. Or especially when they knew that.

But none of them lived near and my mom was freaked out by internet people so it's not like I could ever meet up with them.

@Carex uh. holy shit.

@mietze I mean, for sure. But I think you need to be quiet clear about that, then. For example, the BDSM thing. Saying 'No sexuality on public channel' is really unclear. You'd need to be more specific and say something along the lines of 'Do not discuss kinks, or details of your sex life.'

One disallows even mentioning that you might be gay, etc, while the other prevents talking about BDSM or waxing or whatever people discuss on these public channels.

i will say it here, too. that isn't mixed messages. that's a literal child. if that is giving you 'mixed messages', you need help, @Carex. like, legit help, boomer.

g e t h e l p, please.

Those times that your friends encourage/enable you to do something that could be disastrous in RP. But they are so fun.

@Ataru

I do feel like the overidentification of a person as these myriad of identities is silly. I don't get to tell them that, but sometimes it is easier to just be who you are. I am Megatron. That's all

@Ghost

Look, we work for the underprivileged. Our whole philosophy was based on the fact that transformer society was too classist!

I don't think pointing out what exactly the app was is not important, if someone is going to come in and start dropping the idea that certain games are just banning black characters straight up. He mentioned two different games.

So sure, move the conversation. But I'd also move the strawmen posts from him about games banning black characters too, then. Unless someone can come in and give more pertinent testimony of that happening.

Wow so many options and still slim pickings.

That's probably why @Thenomain hasn't responded to any of our offers.

(Also edit to add that if it becomes a competition over me, I offer hand-written congratulations notes to every participant.)

@ThatGuyThere

Someone didn't read my full-post. Instead, they wanted to mansplain shit to me like I wouldn't understand that people could live in 'communal' spaces.

@Ghost said in RL Anger:

@Pandora said in RL Anger:

Re: the whole 'kill yourself' thing - that's a fucked up thing to say to anyone; I don't advise anyone else to do it, but I can say it whenever I like and anyone that wants to be offended can feel free to be offended. It's literally no skin off my nose & I've never lost a friend over something I've said to someone I already didn't like

but if Pandora felt so inclined to say such a thing to someone, it's really up to the person who says it to determine whether or not they should feel bad about it.

Only if you ascribe to the idea that morals are relative to the person, and not universally to the actions (yes, speaking words is an action or typing them out in this case) that you take.

I would say, as someone believing in a universal morality, that telling someone to kill themselves is not a moral action. So if an action is not moral, one should feel some level of guilt or remorse over it if they are a moral person. That is what I posit. Others can feel free to feel differently, based on their own philosophies.

You know, the more I think about the whole 'it's just a lot of WoD players who post and decide what is right and wrong', the more I get bothered. There are /plenty/ of us here who post and comment who have never touched WoD, see @Roz, that you can't just dismiss. Just because we aren't the top posters, doesn't mean our voices aren't part of things. (I mean, can you really tell who is the top poster outside of 'Less Than Gamey', for example?)

And if we weren't, you wouldn't see the cultural clashes that definitely spring up here. Like, the recent one that comes to mind is whether assuming a communication about game stuff to one staffer would be shared with all staff (unless it's about another staffer). And yeah, there were two very different cultures here. But it didn't end up written off as just one way as the 'correct' way to do things. Each side explained their points and it came down to most of us agreeing well-- The expectation should be clearly communicated, but neither is wrong.

I think chalking things up to an MSB hivemind or it all being one culture is an easy way to dismiss criticisms.

Is being called a hive-mind on the drinking game list yet? I mean, it has to be, right? Like, literally, people will call you a hive-mind for agreeing with someone, even though you were /just disagreeing with them a page before/.

Guys. You both have valid points and neither of you are stopping to realize it, maybe. This is one of those times I definitely want the serious safeword or flag thrown on the field or whatever.

And also, because @bored is getting piled on. Not for no reason, but definitely more than they deserve. I mean, Arkandel did the same thing, but he recognized and backed off. Threads are organic; you can contribute what you want. Roz is right in that also, surreality might not want to talk about what you contributed, but now you're talking about it, surr.

Let's put on some blinders and stop responding to each other about this topic, maybe?

(I know it's silly to say, when I am responding on this topic. But, what can you do.)

@shangexile No one said that people disagreeing with @surreality's behavior are trolls. Or with anyone's. This whole forum is about 'naming and shaming' and calling people out and generally disagreeing. And that's fine. What you are doing is gross and creepy?

Like, I don't agree with the time @surreality said that anyone who was getting upvoted by you should stop and consider who was on their side (because you can't control who upvotes you). I also don't think upvoting you automatically makes someone bad. But hey, my dude, my broheim, if you're going to do creepy shit, the whole point of this forum is to point out creepy/asshole-ish/cliche/overwrought/boring behavior on the part of our fellow RPers.

(And I hear rumor that some people try to be constructive about the hobby.)

@BobGoblin said in POLL: Super Hero MU Gut Check:

In experience I find it to be more pervasive in purely non consent. This is called anecdotal evidence.

in my experience, anecdotal evidence is silly and also you're still attributing a player problem to a system problem with no clearly defined (or even hypothesized) cause and effect.

@Ghost No one gets that card on this forum. It is a non-existent card.