Posts made by Lithium

@thugheaven I think you'd get a lot more traction by not belittling peoples feelings by calling them 'fee fees'. Presentation is a factor.

@deadculture Considering the game is shutting down, this should probably be removed from Advertisements to begin with.

@thatguythere Sounds like an Accessory charge to me.

@royal This is one of the things that always bugged me about Werewolf games, Loci were either not available at all, or were /too/ available, so they were no longer a resource to be fought over.

It's one of the things that doesn't translate well from TT to MU*. If you have a Locus, then it is going to draw attention, but that requires direct staff involvement. If you don't, then you /need/ to get one, else how are you going to patrol the spirit side? It's a major point of werewolf territory but is never used appropriately in the MU environment in my experience.

@apu I actually like that idea, and I know there's a lot of people who think 'Big Brother' is going to take over, but registries are not always a bad thing. They can be used to protect people as well, but just like any list, it's all in how it's used and by whom.

I can third Jumanji, was surprisingly entertaining and fun. Jack Black imho, stole the show though everyone had their moments.

***=Not exactly a spoiler really but, people bitch about everything these days. You'll understand when you see the movie.***

@zombiegenesis There is no reasoning with certain individuals, who cannot even accept the definition of words, when presented with the /definition/ of the word.

Unfortunately it is all to common these days and is how we get certain 'political' individuals in power.

Back on track: There's a lot of statistics out there, as to why cops are killing people, but in the end I think it comes down to fear. Cops are scared too because they are getting killed also. It doesn't make it right by any stretch of the word, cops are supposed to be /better/ than the average person, that's what makes them capable of serving and protecting.

Not sure if it's something along the lines of public education, back in the day public education used to not be so bad in the United States, now... not so much. Maybe Police Academies are getting hit the same. Or there's a /lot/ more ex-military in the forces, cuz in the army shoot first during hostile situation makes a lot more sense?

I don't know.

@ortallus said in Internet Attacks? Why?:

YOU STUPID ARROGANT FUCKING CUNT. THAT IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM YOUR OWN GODDAMN POST. ITS NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH IF YOU FUCKING TYPED IT YOU SHITHEAD BITCH.

Bye bye now.

@ortallus said in Internet Attacks? Why?:

@lithium I'm so sick of that phrasing, "going in guns blazing".

That's not what happened. At all. So stop saying it, please.

THE GUY CAME TO THE FUCKING DOOR WHILE THEY WERE STILL SETTING UP.

Why is that so difficult for you people to read or understand?

Who's putting words in who's mouth now?

You really need to tone it the fuck down.

@ortallus The police should still verify every fucking thing before the go in guns blazing. The police have tools to get eyes and ears on a situation and if there is a live fire situation should be /clearing/ innocents, like the neighbors, etc.

So I am in agreement with @Thenomain here that /everyone/ needs to be accountable. Cops are killing unarmed people for pulling up their fucking pants.

Are all cops bad? No. I don't think every cop is a racist killer. Some are, sure, cuz cops are people too.

As for why I created /this/ thread, is because the whole topic didn't belong on Elsa's thread. Doesn't matter why it came up or how

@ortallus Welcome to MSB, where no topic stays on topic forever. It will derail and either get back on track, or stay derailed, either way gotten good discussion out of the topic.

@ortallus said in Internet Attacks? Why?:

However, there needs to be shown to be severe penalties. If a child commits the act, then on their parents. If an adult, then throw the book at them hard. Make them take awareness classes, do community service, pay steep fines (including restitution to the people they swatted on).

Bolding Mine.

No.

Yes, parenting can do a lot of things. What it cannot do is stop stupid kids from being stupid kids. We all like to talk about the good old days, but when we were young, we did stupid things too.

There is no punishment around that will stop people from making horrible choices, doing horrible things, or otherwise acting in a manner contrary to society.

While yes, I do believe parenting can have a /massive/ impact, punishing the parent is not the solution here. Not even remotely. In fact if it were a thing, then imagine how many angry teenagers would attempt this, just when they got mad at their parents and wanted to 'punish' them.

@surreality Yes I love that button and use it for all the sport threads I could care less about. I love that option. So so much.

@roz Don't think they are listening Roz.

@arkandel Justice League (the movie) taught us that Superman's Stache's are edited out of reality.

@apos said in Internet Attacks? Why?:

@lithium said in Internet Attacks? Why?:

But... does that really apply to MU*'s? Our anger and such tends to take a lot longer to build up to the point of ostracism. We are a lot more tolerant than most online gamers (see league of legends and dota for extreme examples) probably due to the media in which we use, text is slow, it's patient, it gives us time to think and respond.

Curious as to people's thoughts.

I don't think people are all that different, but MUs need a vastly different level of investment than someone playing LoL or Dota. I mean someone gets into a LoL game, they play with 4 strangers for maybe 20 minutes, they never see them again. For us, someone gets onto a new game, they could be interacting with some of those people for literally years, and even though it's anonymous, anonymity means a hell of a lot less when the reputation attached to a character basically effects how you can play for thousands of hours invested. So we have a lot of mini society pushback, where people though they are anonymous from a RL perspective for one another, care a whole lot about their 'anonymous' personas on here enough to practice a lot better behavior generally.

I know there's a temptation to be like, 'kids these days' about that but I just don't really think that's the case. I think it's just people generally know that even if it's a fake internet name of a character or board handle, they are attached to that, and their investment heavily helps reduce the really egregious examples we see in games with zero investment.

I can get behind this, back when WoW was young, character names meant something, reputation mattered, and the servers while not ideal, were still a /far/ cry better than they are now. You still see this in things like EverQuest on the Timelocked Progression servers, screw up your rep and you're in for a rough ride.

I still think the fact that in general, we spend more time between doing something (writing the response) because the medium isn't instant like voice chat matters too because we have more time to self filter, but maybe that's just me.

@mietze said in Internet Attacks? Why?:

@lithium all of the stuff I listed in the original post happened within the mushing community, and in fact was sometimes disclosed on snark site ideations. Bragged about even. But just like now, I don’t believe it was cool to most people who read it. But it has happened. I would be shocked if sexual assault hasn’t happened. I know there have been allegations of abusers picking up vulnerable partners via mushing.

I mean it happens and it will wherever there is a stronger sense of intimacy due to chatting or whatever or a pinpoint focus that can’t hapoen in daily life.

But! I am long in the tooth enough to remember this being famous in other groups too—SCA, live action LARPing, radio chats, etc.

I know but it seems less a 'thing' amongst this community than some other online communities is all I meant.

I also remember SCA, Live action RP, etc. There has been online predators for as long as there has been an online. I knew a guy back in my BBS days who used to be a massive skeeve but... I dunno... maybe I am just hopeful we as a group are better than the rest of humanity.

I know, wishful thinking.

@mietze I am not trying to discount how horrible it is, I am curious as to where it crosses over with /this/ community, with the MU*'ing community in general.

These are a wide variety of things, from hacking e-mails, websites, taking over facebook threads, to ddos attacks and swatting.

We hear about it happening (especially the swatting and ddos attacks) when it ends up in bloodshed, violence, or affects thousands of people at a time but, we don't hear about it happening as much anymore.

The cynic in me is thinking that's because it's not 'news' anymore, it's not 'worthy' of being written/spoken about unless it ends in violence or happens to a sufficiently popular person (read: Celebrity) that people actually care about.

I don't think these attacks come from a desire to 'win' I think it comes from something more primal, anger, shame, and lack of ability.

People want to win, they don't /like/ to lose, it's hardwired into us to try our best but we only validate the winners. It's rare the individual who can step back and actually /enjoy/ a game they just /lost/. It does happen, sure, like if I am playing Warhammer 40K, or BattleTech, or even D&D I can enjoy even when I lose. If I am playing with friends, I can even enjoy losing on a game like Overwatch.

However internet culture is amazingly toxic due to anonymity and audience, and that makes winning even /more/ important, and turns up emotional responses to twelve.

But... does that really apply to MU*'s? Our anger and such tends to take a lot longer to build up to the point of ostracism. We are a lot more tolerant than most online gamers (see league of legends and dota for extreme examples) probably due to the media in which we use, text is slow, it's patient, it gives us time to think and respond.

Curious as to people's thoughts.

@ganymede I don't want to run a CoD game, I am working with what time I have available on my own original setting and theme. I would love to /play/ on a werewolf game though. If it were 2E.

I want to have to deal with protecting territory, expanding territory, making sure your Locus is safe, facing off against the Pure and everything else, and not really knowing if I can trust the neighboring packs or not without a greater threat to us all in play.

@ixokai What's even worse, is when people start paging you in character, as if you were your character... it's super creepy.