Posts made by Lotherio

@Ganymede said in Good or New Movies Review:

@Auspice said in Good or New Movies Review:

My theory is that a lot of people went in hoping for a full story (classic movie-going experience) with some songs added in.

Probably the same people that went to Sweeney Todd and were surprised to find Johnny Depp singing.

My theory, especially for the critics, is that the more popular it is the more kitsch it must be. Ergo, the critical hate relationship of commercially successful artist Thomas Kinkade (the guy did graduate Art Center College of Design with a masters, someone thought he was good enough to get in and good enough to give him a masters in his field of study).

All critics agreeing to dislike Cats in movie format seems kitsch/mainstream to me in the very manor they are pretending to be rebellious against the establishment. It just looks silly these days.

@Darren said in Old Republic Star Wars Game - FFG System Poll:

D6 was too dated

D6 has seen continued support and revision through the years. It became Open D6 way back, there have been numerous 3rd party works this decade utilizing Open D6. There is currently Mini D6, which is more parsed down and adaptable. Magic/force has been brought up to speed finally to be just as quick and easy.

@Derp said in Personal Agency for Personal Boundaries:

You don't actually read a single thing I write, do you?

The problem as presented says people are open to be abused, how can we help them, what systems can we use. And you're saying, any system you implement can be abused, lets not do anything.

From the standpoint of rhetorical argument, you're not contributing to the discussion constructively. It can all be abused, we've established this. How do we address the former if the latter is not a solution? And if you don't think the former is a problem, start another thread, this feels like derailing.

@Ganymede said in Personal Agency for Personal Boundaries:

To pull the conversation back to where we started, though, I thought we were mulling over commands that may assist people in communicating the breach or existence of a personal boundary.

I will admit to being lackadaisical in following this discussion.

I'll double down with this. I like to assume everyone is capable but accept them the comfort level of some folks can by-pass the opt in, or clicking the I accept to play here. I accept no level of policy, simple or complex, is enough to cover what could happen and I don't want 12 pages of detailed policy to cover every potential. It was about potential code and some of the players who don't feel comfortable opting-in/out with other players for their own reasons concurred potential code might help bridge the gap for them.

@Ganymede @surreality Curse this thing you all call logic!

Opt-in is good too. I'm just uncertain where to bring legitimacy to support the potential victim and/or person too shy.

Personally I've always been able to walk away and 'nope' an idea I didn't like. If I didn't want in the violent mosh pit scene (though most mosh pits as pointed out elsewhere doen't involve elbows and broken noses), I pose my character out of it, let the room have its fun. If someone wanted to do something with my char I didn't like and it was optional, I opt out, if there was an ICC (I broke into the building, the police came to tazer me) I was comfortable FTB with discussion on results.

As staff, I have personally dealt with the 'they did this thing after I asked a few times to not do it and showed my disinterest, but they got me to through coercion and other tactics as noted in this thread and others just the more it settles a few days later, the more squicky it feels', more than once but in recent years (and I tend to have open code still when I do pennmush, there was some code shenanigans involving @locks and such, which made me feel bad about the situation more so than usual).

I do like the selection of subjects option, like the prefs/squicks on most adult places but extended to include general topics of RP that are on/off or need consent. With policy to indicate one player needs consent if they intent to cross a line on someone's no-subject line list. Just, again, the too timid/guild ridden/blamed/etc. to speak up potential victim vs. the coercion and how to help get around those to be more open with a feeling of safe environment.

If there ever is a good system to help, I'll know it when I see it (too soon?).

@Apos said in Personal Agency for Personal Boundaries:

One approach would be to not put responsibility on the party that feels uncomfortable, with not using a command to duck out in the +Iamreallynotdownwiththis or whatever, but instead to go entirely to a culture of affirmative consent. Say that every scene in public defaults to a PG-rating, and anyone wanting to take it to say, a hard R rating would have to do a command of, +okaytimeforadultcontent and if everyone codedly agrees, it's now an R rating scene and scene keeps going as private/adult/whatever. If they don't all opt-in, scene ends and FTBs, and they then do a handwaved, offscreen synopsis. If contentious, just arbitrated through dice.

I've been at this point on my places lately. All public scenes are PG, any necessity for a public scene to go beyond this should be checked with all parties present to gain consent, otherwise FTB. Secondary, don't post the stuff beyond pg. Cutscenes and FTB are welcome. We'd done that to enforce harassment policy, with at most usually one warning, but leaning towards ban (we usually include coercion in after the fact reporting as warnable; and I do have to assume some reform potential its part of my rl job).

But, the culture of requiring the individual wanting to go beyond PG to initiate the code is intriguing. Something I could easily code in traditional mu softcode but find more difficult to make in like Ares which I've adapted too. I like the idea of placing the burden of acquiring affirmative consent on the individual wishing to initiate adult content.

@insomniac7809 @surreality @tek

There was probably some refinement that we're missing like lost wax bronze casting or something Humans still use musk ... I'm sure we've tried lots of whacky stuff, some probably stuck around a bit as 'trendy' in their times.

@Carex said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

None of us ever died or got kidnapped or had anything bad happens to us just because we were outside in the world.

Speak out of your own ignorance. We entered a falstaff brewery, my friend fell off a metal later and landed on a pipe. The rest of us watched as his sucking chest wound made fucked up noises and we waited for him to be airlifted out of that abandoned building. Shut the fuck up in your ignorance, your experience isn't the same for everyone else.

@Carex said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

someone {online) teaches them what the vagina is for.
I'm talking about the parents that try and stop that.

You're advocating parents shouldn't stop kids from learning what a vagina is for on-line and need to stay out of their kids business cause, furry muck is the bastion of developmental education online?

Like in the same post you say:

Once again: PARENTS CAN'T TELL HOW OLD THE OTHER PERSON IS, OVER THE INTERNET!!

And you say this:

No one disagrees with you on the idea that if a parent finds out an adult is knowingly creeping on their child that parent should shut that shit down and call the FBI. No one.

Like - how are they supposed to find out when every method they may discover this seems you arguing they shouldn't do it?

@Carex said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

I'm arguing that if your kid is on a MUSH pretending to be a blood-slut or a hairy lupus homicidal murder machine then your kid isn't an innocent little angel in need of you saving them by you telling them they aren't allowed to do those things.

You're saying if someone plays one of these concepts they're not innocent? I honestly think you've no business throwing shade on anyone's kids in this manor. I thought this started in defense of privacy not saying playing these concepts is wrong?

@tek said in The Dark Side of online Role-Playing:

@Derp Yeah, but @Carex crossed the line when they were all shruggy and like "TSing with an adult is only a problem because it's legally a problem for the adult", which is seriously fucking gross

I don't want to get into the privacy vs non-privacy of children and parental rights, but the accusing someone of spying on their kids to see whats going on and adamantly saying a parent cannot not or should not do that ... is exactly what I'd expect a child predator to want me to believe. That may not have been their intent, but it all read bad from the get go in their responses.

@Pyrephox said in Personal Agency for Personal Boundaries:

I would rather keep ten "but I didn't want to go to jail" players than one "I'm going to threaten you with cutting off your RP with everyone or damage your OOC reputation unless you play this out" player.

Just wanted to repeat this. The I don't want to go to jail players might be a little annoying for some folks, but the other one can really damage a game/kill off a player base whether one realizes it or not - like a small playerbase and limited staff, it could be a dead game before staff realize what happened and who the one player is that's trying to pull that off. Worse, and to the point of the thread, used on someone unfamiliar with the tools/life skills to get out of that situation (policies, involve staff, walk away), its damaging to the player and kills off potential growth in the hobby if someone is preying on new players (and lets be honest, new players to hobby are big targets if said behavior). I supported it when someone brought up the idea of X-Card, saying an alteration to fit the medium would work, I support it now. I may look into code to handle +request to staff if I get time.

@Pandora said in How to Approach (nor not) a Suspected Creep:

I was pointing out that while you may be trying to help, plenty of people reach out in that same way trying to be instigators or gossip-gatherers & it's hard in a moment of high-pique to tell the difference.

I'll second this, awareness is good all around.

@Pandora said in How to Approach (nor not) a Suspected Creep:

if in fact your initial goal is to help.

In real life I enter volatile situations and ask immediately are you okay. I get a lot of the results indicated. These real life situations are ones that participants don't choose to be in/at and they've not learned or been introduced to tools/methods for coping.

Online text RP on the other hand is a complete choice to enter. If we both come around later oocly and end up getting along that's fine, but the cool down is an unknown. I'll ask, they can respond/ignore as they see fit. Unlike my real life youth, I'll give benefit of doubt to trust the person on the other line to have a few more life skills under their belt. If me asking okay on a mu doesn't go well I'll write them off for showing that concern again (asking okay after a incident), I'll trust they have some real method/friend/tool at their disposal.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm glad you're calling me on this. Trauma and trauma induced and informed and all this is super hot topic irl but is often misunderstood and misused. I believe what you're saying and think it should be understood, especially if a reader translated this to some situation in the world around them. I understand what you're saying and appreciate the concern all around, just this is my fun time too. If I get into my rp or some other staff duty my own dyslexia will kick in and this is a reading medium. My concern is expressed, they may even cool down and recall that I reached out. One never knows, one of my current real life favorites to work with is one that is much taller and heavier than me, or first interaction ended not so well with injury involved; I was unaware asking them to 'stop' was a trigger; we're pretty friendly now they'll ask to talk to me in situations, they reached out after to apologize (and very big kudos it was their initiative to do that not mediation/third party involvement)

@Pandora said in How to Approach (nor not) a Suspected Creep:

@Lotherio Sometimes, immediate displays of concern/empathy can come off as thirsty for gossip/drama when you're already on-edge and feeling like you might be a spectacle. If you are told to piss off, I'd hope you take into account that they might in fact be sensitive/vulnerable at the moment & not entirely write them off as a person worth concern.

I concur. I work with behavior disorders in real life. In this past week my conversions start out, "Mister it's my birthday and my mom laid her hands on my", "Mister, last night 'uncle' came in", "Mister I lost my (sibling)". Any of those kids can tell me to get the fuck out of town and I won't write then off, we'll come around. That said on a mu I will show concern once, if that's a trigger and they tell me to get the fuck out, fair enough, I'm not there to counsel or help. I'm not writing them off, I'll respect their online space.

@Ghost said in Empire State Heroes Mush:

@Auspice said in Empire State Heroes Mush:

LOOK WE ALL WANT TO DO BEDROOM STUFF TO MARISA TOMEI AUNT MAY

Whoa whoa. Watch that use of all. I kinda prefer My Cousin Vinnie or The Wrestler Marisa Tomei.

I'm a sap, untamed heart Marisa Tomei for me.

For the record. If this happens:

PUB harasser: I'm gonna get you
PUB victim: please top talking to me, this is harassment
PUB victim has left the channel

I see nothing wrong with

p victim=You all right there?

They can certainly tell me they're fine, okay, leave them alone or to piss off at their leisure, but showing concern is not wrongdoing. If they told me to piss off and leave them be, I'd do just that and write them off as not to waste my time with concern again.

@Ganymede said in The Hockey Thread:

Weak West. The Western Conference has been pretty weak so far, and easy to feed on.

This certainly cannot be the case, given that Oilers top 2 are the only contributors on the team and the bottom 6 forwards haven't done jack ... ohhh, I see what you're saying, sadface.

@Ganymede said in What Types of Games Would People Like To See?:

I swear I'm going to get to reviewing that Google docs file this weekend, my friend.

You're golden, hope the work load lets up, you can look that over when RL lets you have the spare time.

@Ghost said in The Hockey Thread:

knowing that most of Phoenix would be like: "We had a professional hockey team, whaaaat?"

FTFY