@shincashay said in Let's talk about TS.:
It's OK to say no and FTB the TS.
If they don't respect that you either have a conversation with them or involve staff. I don't give a fuck any more.
This this this this this a million times this. If all they're interested in is the TS, then they will go away on their own, or staff can step in and handle it for them not being respectful. It's a great way to handle this particular type of thing. Low drama, low headache.
I love ambiance emits.
Even when it's the same six 'a frog makes a frog noise' 'the waterfall splashes' 'a fish jumps'.
Anything that takes some of the weight of imagining the world around me out of my brain and into the world itself. I love tools.
I don't know anything about duck client, BUT, look around for any sort of protocol setting and mess with it. I have broken my ability to connect with potato by accidentally messing with that specific setting.
Release date says Dec 31st, 2019 on the purchase thingy. That's just a placeholder, right? RIGHT?
Because WoD games are not about gear.
No. This is wrong. Staff do not need to police or put limits here. That's gross.
ETA: Way more gross and invasive and wrong than the tentacle porn in the first place.
2 and a half hours left until LONG WEEKEND FOR ME!
I agree 100%, and I say this as somebody who finds the hog pit routinely "worth" engaging in (evidenced by the fact that I do). I recognize that I would have to change my behavior and I'm probably going to get in trouble a time or twelve, but I think it might very well be the right move for the community at large.
Project scope too big. Given available resources, all ends cannot be accomplished. ^^
I did actually already clarify that I was struggling with how to phrase it, and then Gany explained exactly what it was I meant to say. Changing things to toxic-lite is not what I mean about changing the rules in the other subforums.
Because the hogpit isn't staying in the hogpit and the moderators are asking for input regarding that situation.
@faraday said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@sunny said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
I'm not sure why we as a culture/community are letting a vocal few people make us keep the hog pit around instead of making the decision that we need to be better.
Making the already-weak rules on the rest of the forums even more weak isn't a step towards getting better IMHO - it's a step towards getting worse. I don't see why we as a culture/community would want things to get more toxic unless the mods just completely threw in the towel and decided to let the whole board become gloves-off.
Different rules? IDK how to say what I'm trying to get at. I don't disagree with you. I just think that it should be allowed to warn people about folks like Sovereign.
As an out of left field (ish) thought...:;
I am really kind of wondering what would happen if the hog pit just went away entirely and 'mildly constructive' just became the general discussion forums with SLIGHTLY less lax rules than at present. Yes, there are people that would quit here if that part of the forum went away, and there would be a lot of screaming, but...
I don't see a 'new' hogpit style forum wakening, or the user base splitting. I see...people being pissed off, some leaving for a while, and ultimately everyone coming back. There are reasons for gloves off possibilities, but I think that those reasons could be crafted into the semi-constructive rules to allow for it.
I dunno. I keep hearing folks say they really would prefer that, except for a very vocal few, and I'm not sure why we as a culture/community are letting a vocal few people make us keep the hog pit around instead of making the decision that we need to be better.
(I mean, elephant in the room and all.)
ETA: Even Blizzard is coming down on toxicity in their communications between players. Microsoft's ToU is updated along these lines for Xbox. People are realizing that the hands off free for all nasty is REALLY damaging to gaming communities.
We are a gaming community.
I trust the mods enough to craft the rules in such a way to allow for the honesty that is the one necessary and healthy part of the pit. I honestly do think it's possible, and at the end of the day (year), we would as a whole community be a lot happier.
@ganymede said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@sunny said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@faraday said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
Faraday calls Bob all kinds of names, against forum policy.
Mod says "Be nice"
Bob still has to look at the post sitting there calling him all kinds of names but isn't supposed to respond.This (and the rest of the post surrounding it) is my problem/concern. It is currently happening this way, and it is my opinion that the deletion of posts will make it worse, not better.
When this has happened, my response in chat with Auspice and Arkandel has been invariably between "nuke it from space" and "burn the heretic."
Supposing that an offending post can be identified, I would simply step in and delete that message and every obliquely-referencing message that follows. That seems to be the most neutral thing to do: acting without regard for right or wrong, and simply adhering to the rules as directly as possible. This is especially so on advertisement threads, where it is very easy to pick out where a conversation veers into offensive territory.
I think there are plenty of dissenters to that position, however.
If this is the proposed solution, I am 110% on board, EVEN for those cases when I am the one being a jerk. If the WHOLE mess gets deleted, if that's the intention behind it, this is fine by me.
As far as the rest of it goes -- what @surreality and @faraday are saying. I'm coming off terribly because I REALLY care about this, and I'm worried and concerned and a little afraid of what ultimately this is going to mean.
@arkandel said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
@sunny said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
If you do not have the time or tools to implement things successfully
I trust you can see how this could be construed as offensive.
I actually don't, but I apologize that I came across that way.
If you do not have the time or tools to implement things successfully, and you are aware of it, those things should probably not be on the table as options for you to implement.
@faraday said in Hello MSBites! Grade your administrators.:
Faraday calls Bob all kinds of names, against forum policy.
Mod says "Be nice"
Bob still has to look at the post sitting there calling him all kinds of names but isn't supposed to respond.
This (and the rest of the post surrounding it) is my problem/concern. It is currently happening this way, and it is my opinion that the deletion of posts will make it worse, not better. If there is some reason to believe that this will not be the case if posts do start getting deleted, then I don't actually have a problem with doing it that way instead. The deletion of posts is superior in every case that I can think of EXCEPT for this specific issue, but this specific issue is enough for me to be made REALLY uncomfortable with the thought of things being done that way. The amount of bullying that it would enable is pretty extensive.
It's sure as hell not bad enough for anybody to be throwing in the towel. 'Something to work on' is not the end of the world, but it is something that's going to introduce ugly consequences if you guys move to the step of deleting things instead of just moving and redirecting. Either the ugly consequences are going to require more work, or the work needs to be put in in the lead-up phase towards consistency.
I understand.
The question was related to deleting posts.
With the situation as it is currently, deleting posts will have the opposite effect of the desired end: it will make things MORE toxic, as the nasty gets left in place and everything after it gets deleted. If posts are going to be deleted, if that is where you guys are going to go, then you need to be prepared to do more work than you are currently to avoid things getting way toxic super quick.