Posts made by ThatGuyThere

@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:

30 is the real number. Beyond that its not "x/day", its not day-oriented. You could have a log on day 28 and 29, or a log on day 12 and 29. For part 1 of activity ('minimum'), its 30. For part 2 ('sufficient'), its amount of RP over a period, with amount of days between logs not actually mattering.

But it is not ,you said up thread that if someone only has one log every month for a few months they would be talked to.
So instead of days being an issue, how many logs per month over an extended period would be enough to never get a chat with staff about activity? That is the real minimum requirement.
That should also be the stated requirement in my opinion, that is pretty much the entirety of my argument.
There is no right or wrong answer to how much activity is enough that can vary from staff wishes from game to game I just would like to see the actual number known in advance.

@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:

@thatguythere said in FCs on Comic MUs:

No meeting the minimum standards is still sufficient because there is a minimum activity level where you would not boot someone (there has to be or you would boot everyone) it is just that the rule does not actually state what the rule is.

=To clarify on the minimum standard thing, if for example you have someone playing the Dane Whitman version of Black Knight and he gets a scene every 19 days and staff doesn't notice, than he starts going 20 with out a scene and staff notices and talk with him, that clearly establishes the minimum is 19. What the actually written rule states is meaningless because what staff enforces on the game becomes the actual rule.
The rule might say 30, but in reality it is 25 or 13 or some other number that is just under what would actually draw staff attention.
I an not picking on any game in specific with this, never been on the one @Ixokai staffs (never played there and have honestly heard nothing bad about it) just using that as an example of the similar rules I have seen on most comics games.

This would be true if staff and the system only ever looked at the 'current period' and was blind entirely to the past. I admit most games, I believe, do things this way-- or do things entirely subjectively/manually (I heard one game which every quarter looks over log activity manually for each character to make a determination, the idea of doing so making me want to pluck my own eyes out).

However, in our situation, every night a program queries the wiki and grabs a link to all new logs. It determines who is in each log and writes all this data into a SQLite database. Now we can look at this data in an automated way with more sophistication: we don't need to 'only' look at someone's activity for the 'current period', we can look at their overall history for the last...however long we want to (currently: 3 months) We can see that though the rule is 30, they're only RP'n every 29, and that deserves a warning. Right now its still semi-manual cuz I've been to work-busy to code the analysis tools, but they aren't hard to do.

Awesome use of tech, but that still means there is a minimum, Ok 29 deserves a warning, what about someone scening every 12? I would guess no which means the real warning level is somewhere between 12 and 29, if yes the real number is somewhere under 12.
Either way my point is there is still a real minimum number that players are left to guess at. I would very much prefer this real number be listed somewhere rather than the 30 that is.

This might sound odd, but those scenes when the dice really and truly hate you.
One of my chars is a pretty stereotypical Hoss-type big, strong, not particularly smart but earnest as all heck, and before a scene where we faced a lot of obstacles that required physicality to get by he was all aw shuck cocky about how it would be no problem. There should have been ominous music in the background because once the dice started flying he could not buy a success and ended being an obstacle himself. To quote the GM of there scene "There needs to be Yakety Sax on in the background."
The best moment are the unexpected ones.

@sg
So now it is truly a caltrop.

No meeting the minimum standards is still sufficient because there is a minimum activity level where you would not boot someone (there has to be or you would boot everyone) it is just that the rule does not actually state what the rule is.

=To clarify on the minimum standard thing, if for example you have someone playing the Dane Whitman version of Black Knight and he gets a scene every 19 days and staff doesn't notice, than he starts going 20 with out a scene and staff notices and talk with him, that clearly establishes the minimum is 19. What the actually written rule states is meaningless because what staff enforces on the game becomes the actual rule.
The rule might say 30, but in reality it is 25 or 13 or some other number that is just under what would actually draw staff attention.
I an not picking on any game in specific with this, never been on the one @Ixokai staffs (never played there and have honestly heard nothing bad about it) just using that as an example of the similar rules I have seen on most comics games.

@ganymede
True enough but thankfully the rules still allow me to say I think it is a stupid idea for as long as the discussion persists.

@ganymede said in FCs on Comic MUs:

I think that FCs should be online at least once a day, and should be at the very least available to RP publicly for important matters when called upon.

If that is the stated rule i have no problem with it, but if the stated rule is one vote/log every x days that is what should be enforced.

Note: I am not arguing for or against any particular activity standard, but I am arguing for stating up front what your actual standards are.

@wizz
Not to me, if the most negative thing allowed is a not saying hey you can read bad things here then the discussion is pointless to me.
I see that as no different than the lets all feel good pep rallies I had to sit through in middle and High school and some of the worse jobs I have had in the past.

@ixokai
How is that less unfair than leaving the rule vague?
If one scene every 2 weeks or whatever really means the activity we want even if you are still doing one scene in 2 weeks we might still boot you. Why not just say it is staff desecration from the beginning.
Both ways are open to favoritism but one add the spice of hypocrisy since the actual stated rule isn't what turns out to matter.

@faraday said in Make MSB great again!:

I remember the last time a thread like this was posted, I was ridiculed for suggesting that discussions should be less negative. Because apparently "civil discourse" equates to "singing kumbaya" in many peoples' minds.

Except a section when criticism is not allowed as the current rules of the ad thread state is not discourse civil or otherwise it is a commercial followed by a pep rally.
People saying something is good while they are not allowed to say something is bad is utterly pointless.

@tempest said in Which canon property/setting would be good for a MU* ?:

There must be a lot more to Starship Troopers than the god awful movies, based on all the people interested in MUing in the setting.

What'd I miss?

There is the excellent Heinlein novel.

@kanye-qwest said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Squirrel Girl is a joke, herself. She's a low powered character that somehow is always unbeatable. Off screen.

She beat Dr. Doom in her first appearance completely on screen.

@ixokai said in FCs on Comic MUs:

I agree it can't be applied fairly but any rule with an objective standard will be gamed.
If it is one scene ever x days, there will always be those who squat on chars having a scene in x-1 days. (Well obviously not for x=1 but you get the point. )
It just comes down to which you want to hear people bitching about inexact policy or the people following the policy but not the "right way".

@sunny
Thank you that is helpful. It prevents the post from making that red number appear in the unread section which works that same for me.
I just read those or go to places through notifications so it is hidden enough for me.

So Yay we have a section with all the discussion value of holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
If not opt in is an opt out possible?

@sunny said in Make MSB great again!:

@thatguythere

Not all of us play on games where this is the case.

Cool, I have no problem in this case but please make it a part of the forum that can be opt in so I can ignore it. It harms no one who uses the thread to wall it behind an opt in like the part of the forum that are already like that.

Edit : In light of the new rules for the ad thread can we please give poster the ability to opt out of seeing it. Please, I do not think this is a great deal to ask for since it already in place for other sections.

@ganymede said in Make MSB great again!:

@thenomain said in Make MSB great again!:

I think that the advertiser should have control of what goes into their advertisement. That seems reasonable to me. If an advertiser wants to wipe an entire thread from their thread, let them. And if sycophants come to trumpet, so be it. I think it's reasonable for the average visitor to the Internet know that not all positive reviews are objective.

If this was the case then why would the ad thread here be anymore useful to a perspective player than the same ad I would see on a game? I have yet to see and add for an open game here that I have not seen already on a game I play. Without criticism in those threads it would just be the same thing I have read with a much of Me Likes place posts under it. Not thanks, if that is what the ad section is going to be please give me a way to say no thanks like there is for the hog pit, for the politics, and code etc.

@kanye-qwest said in FCs on Comic MUs:

Or you could maybe disallow all OOC communication, like an RPI?

My big objection to this is that channels are the best way to quickly learn who I want to avoid. I ain't got the time to waste taking a whole scene to learn this.

@saosmash said in FCs on Comic MUs:

You do have to actually enforce your squatting rule but this is not an insurmountable obstacle.

The issue is usually not enforcement but the fact that ever rule you make up can be technically obeyed while squatting. If it is votes or logs just do the minimum or heck be tricky and do a little more than the minimum, if the rule is 30 days have a scene every 20, etc
Honestly I think the best rule would be an undefinted one though that will angry up the waters about possible favoritism. Something along the lines of "If staff feels a role is not being met the person will be replaced." That prevents the folks from just barely following the rules but also lets someone who wants to play something obscure like Stunt Master (real Marvel hero) not have to worry about meeting requirements since Stunt-y likely doesn't have a lot of people clamoring for his bit, so letting someoen semi-active have him doesn't really hurt a game.

@coin said in Good TV:

Lol, anyone else picking out a pattern in the supporting cast?

I can't wait for Jeff Donovan and Gabrielle Anwar to show up as Mutant Bounty Hunters or something. XD

I noticed this pattern in the commercials before the show started airing, I will admit it layed a significant role in my decision to give it a shot.